Witness #9 Files: Trayvon Martin / George Zimmerman Case

"But I know George, and I know that he does not like Black people..."

They Always Get Away Banner (CaseFiles Witnesses)/George Zimmerman/Trayvon MartinThis is the information page for Witness #9 (aka the anonymous caller to the Sanford Police)in the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman case. This witness has accused George Zimmerman of racism and a history of sexual assaults on her since the age of six. You will find links to the available documents and media below. You can also locate other corresponding testimony and information on the site.

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Witness Summary:

This anonymous caller to the Sanford Police Department says that she knows George Zimmerman, and he would start something that could lead to a confrontation. She claims that he is a very confrontational person. She doesn’t talk to him because of things he has done in the past, and she knows all of his family. She urges the police to check into his background and try to get people to come forward and admit the type of person George Zimmerman is.

9-1-1 Call:

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Interviews:

The following interviews are the full, uncut audio files released as part of the discovery court proceedings in the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman case. Names and some other identifying information have been redacted to protect the identities of the witnesses.

Interview in which the witness accuses George Zimmerman of sexually assaulting her since the age of 6 (3/20/2012)

Interview Witness 9 discusses Zimmerman’s family’s alleged history of racism (3/20/2012)

Anonymous Call To Sanford Police Taken By Investigator Trekelle Perkins – No date available (~4 min)

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  • Kent

  • doesntevenmatter

    This is the perfect example of the nutjobs coming out of the woodwork.

    There have been numerous black people who have gave depositions that GZ was helpful to them, one of which said that he was the only person, of any color, to come up and introduce themselves to them when they moved in, and an elderly black woman who was forced to move because of harassment and death threats who told everyone at the meeting of the neighborhood association that George Zimmerman wasn’t racist, and the reason why he suspected Trayvon Martin is because black boys keep robbing everyone, and everyone needs to be honest.

    Not to mention that George Zimmerman’s Grandmother, who had a large role in raising him, is black, as are the cousins he group up with like brothers.

    He also dated black girls, had black friends, mentored black youths.

    Doesn’t sound like he’s racist to me.

  • Herman Payne

    WHY GEORGE ZIMMERMAN WAS ACQUITED

    To: Red Dog #1

    Fox interview with alternative juror was great. He gave an excellent timeline analysis. When TM told Jentel he is safe (ala at her fathers condo) and end the cellphone call (time was logged by phone record) GZ told the police that he will get out of his SUV to see where TM went (that end of the call was also logged by phone record). Both calls ended approximately the same time. When the cops arrived they found the two injured men on the lawn near GZ SUV then near Jentel father’s condo. Alternate juror explained based on location and timeline, Martin chose not to enter condo but turn around to find GZ. In juror mind any attempt to link GZ to manslaughter for initiating events leading to shooting just not possible, because Martin became the initiator. The timeline info and location also leans towards GZ version that TM confronted him as he was returning to his SUV then the DA allegation that GZ was hunting for TM and causing a confrontation.
    In post trial MSM interviews Jentel explain black people do not trust cops, thus will not call them. However, if you think you are followed, you tend to get home if home is in front of you and not go look for the stalker. Remember, Jentel testify that TM lost GZ when he was talking to her. He was not in imminent danger (GZ was nowhere in sight) and once he chose not to go into the condo but turn around to hunt for GZ he is no longer a victim.

    WHY GEORGE WAS SUSPICIOUS OF TRAYVON

    Z told the story of his 2/2/12 NEN call in more detail, and a little more accurately, than he had previously (45/47 of the logs). He called because he saw a black male showing an interest in 1460 Retreat View Cir., which GZ hadn’t mentioned in the earlier interviews. When the police arrived the man had left. The police found all the windows and the garage door open, and the front door unlocked. GZ gave them the owner’s phone number, and they got his consent to enter and secure the house.

    SPD 2/29-1, 7:41-54 Quote:

    Zimmerman: So when I saw him, in the same area, in front of the guy’s house that I know [unintelligible] had been unsecured, and he was looking into the house, I just thought something doesn’t fit right here.

    Media keep saying that Martin was suspicious because he was black and wore a hoodie but that is not what the police interviews show. He was suspicious because he was looking into a house that had been targeted for a burglary two weeks earlier.

    WAS TRAYVON “CASING” THIS HOUSE TO ROB IT?

    A few months earlier a security guard at Trayvon’s school had caught him writing graffiti on school property. When the security guard checked his backpack, he found, photographed, and confiscated household jewelry which had been robbed from a house very close to Trayvon’s school.

    • gbpuzzler

      “When TM told Jentel he is safe (ala at her fathers condo) and end the cellphone call (time was logged by phone record) GZ told the police that he will get out of his SUV to see where TM went (that end of the call was also logged by phone record).”

      No, GZ never told the police that he would get out of SUV to see where TM went. He admitted, when asked during the call, to following TM. agreed when the dispatcher recommended that he stop, and at the end of the call, requested that the police call him when they arrive. But he didn’t say why he didn’t want to set up a particular meeting spot in advance.

      And there is no reason why TM feeling that he was “safe” would mean in back of Brandy Green’s (his father’s fiancee’s) condo. Obviously, he had not entered the condo. It is not likely that he would have been able to enter from the back. The condos there had sliding glass doors in the back, which people usually keep locked, and which can only be unlocked from the inside. He might have considered a spot where he would be difficult to see to be “safe”.

      There is no evidence that TM ran back to the T to confront GZ. That was defense attorney Don West’s story, and he tried to convince the jury. But there was no real evidence for it, and Rachel Jeantel, when asked, specifically denied that this could have been the case.

      “The timeline info and location also leans towards GZ version that TM confronted him as he was returning to his SUV then the DA allegation that GZ was hunting for TM and causing a confrontation.”

      Your claims about the timeline are wrong. The end of the call between TM and RJ was over a minute later than the end of GZ’s police phone call, and over two minutes later than when GZ said OK to not following TM. What was GZ doing in the meantime? He certainly had enough time to get back to his truck and he did not do so. On the other hand, the two met up while TM was still on the phone with RJ. According to RJ, he would not have stayed on the phone with her if he had been running back to the T to confront GZ.

      “Media keep saying that Martin was suspicious because he was black and wore a hoodie but that is not what the police interviews show. He was suspicious because he was looking into a house that had been targeted for a burglary two weeks earlier.”

      There is no evidence that the house had been targeted, that was just GZ being suspicious of someone who was standing there. And TM had long since passed by that house on his way toward the clubhouse.

      • gbpuzzler

        In addition, concerning the house that TM was allegedly looking into, the surveillance videos at the clubhouse show that TM had been hanging around there for maybe 10-15 minutes at the time that GZ saw him there. So although TM might have walked by that house, it is not possible that GZ was just driving by the house in question, as I think he claimed in the “reenactment” video, and saw TM walking by there and looking in the windows. It’s just another one of the parts of his narrative that he kept changing to suit his purpose. Just like he made the “looking for an address” claim in the same video, to try to make the claim that he wasn’t trying to follow TM, when he had plainly admitted in his police phone call that he was following him.

  • Guest

    ZIMMERMAN’S MINOR INJURY EXPLANATIONS:

    The explanation for Zimmerman’s bloody nose was in plain sight (if you looked closely).

    EMS found NO blood or swelling inside Zimmerman’s nostrils, but capillary bleeding on the exterior. (google: “EMS Report Zimmerman”).

    The cause of bleeding explained:

    . The effects of his own gunshot are branded on the tip of Zimmerman’s nose (and perhaps behind mustache hairs) in the form of gunshot stippling (pinhole-size wounds created by gunshot residue blast). Minor bleeding from these 2 tiny holes flowed in a narrow path down to his lip (as seen in the color-enhanced bloody nose photo taken by a police officer on the scene).

    . Swelling: George’s nose “looks” swollen in the on-site photo, but we all know what happens to the size of the nose when a photographer gets in too close. To better judge, see the police station photos taken that night — there’s marginal swelling (maybe). A police officer noted that Zimmerman’s nose didn’t look broken.

    So how are the existence of the nick on the bridge of Zimmerman’s nose and Zimmerman’s blood on his gun’s grip explained (when Zimmerman had no blood on his hands):

    . Gun recoil (common issue with these handguns — “kicks like a mule”). This explains the stippling as well (the gun has to very close to an object to leave a small amount of intense stippling residue, further away would mean more scattered and microscopic stippling, even further would mean no stippling — think “dispersing”).

    BACK OF HEAD:

    . considering the absence of swelling under the minor abrasions, something poked or scratched Zimmerman’s head (not a single suture was required). I imagine he backed into the leafless branches of the small maple tree located DIRECTLY on the plot of grass. The mass of capillaries located at the skin’s surface of the head explains the bleeding (which apparently didn’t bleed enough to appear on his back collar).

    OTHER INJURIES: None.

    • Guest

      HOW TO EXPLAIN THE DROP OF GEORGE ZIMMERMAN’S BLOOD ON TRAYVON’S SHIRT HEM:

      Paid expert Di Maio’s whole “bombshell” testimony was to state that Trayvon Martin had to be on top of Zimmerman because, based on the gunshot wound forensics, Trayvon’s hoodie was pulling away from his body at the time of the gunshot.

      It was, but not because Trayvon Martin was on top leaning over George Zimmerman:

      Zimmerman shot his lethal weapon and receives 2 minor stippling wounds to the tip of his nose which then bleed. A blood drop falls onto the hem of Trayvon’s shirt (which, when upright, would have been under the zipped hoodie). The location of this blood is documented by the DNA Analyst Anthony Gorgone (Stain A on TM’s shirt). For the blood to fall on the exposed hem, Trayvon’s shirt and hoodie would have to be pushed up (bunched in his chest area) as Zimmerman straddled him. Add the can of ice tea in his pocket to the equation and you easily will have fabric being lifted off the site of the gunshot.

      It’s not the first time “paid expert” forensics pathologist Dr. Vincent Di Maio has been accused of tailoring his testimony for those that paid for his services. He testified for the DEFENSES in the Phil Spector and Drew Peterson murder trials.

      Also: Please google “George Zimmerman boots police station photos”. George has grass clippings and water staining up the toes and tops of his boot only -> none on the heels of the boots.

      • gbpuzzler

        While I agree with some of the things that you said, your description doesn’t account for a discrepancy that exists: On both the hoodie and the shirt, the bullet hole is two inches higher than where it would be if they were hanging normally from TM’s body. This could happen only if they were being pulled down or away from his body by the same amount. The hoodie just bunching up wouldn’t do it. Dr. Di Maio’s explanation could work, but only if the hoodie and the shirt were clinging together. What would also cause this is if GZ was pulling on both the hoodie and shirt, or if he was holding on to both while TM was trying to pull away. GZ’s DNA on both confirms that he was probably holding on to them at some point during the incident, and I think that there is some reason to believe that he was doing so at the time that he shot TM. The scenario that you give for the drop of blood might have happened either shortly before this or immediately after the shooting.

    • Libertarian Soldier

      Talk about a reach! You must be one of the tribe, the wannabe tribe! More conspiracy theories from more amateur forensic experts, wannabe forensic experts and amateur lawyers, wannabe lawyers! That’s embarrassing!

      • gbpuzzler

        While this is speculative, it fits Zimmerman’s actual injuries a lot better than the “head banging” claims do.

  • WH

    Witness 9 reminds me a bit of Tawana Brawely, sudden outcry of rape with no evidence to support it.

  • palinpeople

    So many confused Jesus loving mole station supporting right wingers in here

    • Libertarian Soldier

      Leftists are so f’ed up they don’t know how f’ed up they are. They take centralist, libertarian, constitutionals and call them right wing. Educate yourselves before you call centralists right wing just because they are not left wing.

      You’d have to call the founders, the architects of freedom and liberty’s principles right wingers to call today’s centralist constitutional supporters anything less than centralist.

      By the way, the framers of the Charter and the Compact were considered the left wingers when they were proposing the Declaration of independence and the Constitution.

      Got education?

  • Js

    George Zimmerman is RACIST! He followed an innocent young black male home for no reason… If he felt there was a problem he should have let the STANFORD POLICE Department do their JOB but INSTEAD he took matter into his own hands!!!! Trayvon Martin attacked George Zimmerman ONLY to defend himself!!!! LETS BE REAL how would you feel if someone was following your ass home or where ever!?! WHAT WOULD YOU DO?
    My natural reaction would be to defend my self….
    RIP TRAYVON MARTIN ✌❤

    • Libertarian Soldier

      Wrong

      • atoz350

        Yet, everything you wrote is your personal fabrication and not what was presented as evidence in court. Way to go.

        • Libertarian Soldier

          that’s the second time my answer with points and authorities has been flagged and removed. What’s the matter? Can’t take the truth?

      • gbpuzzler

        Wrong. Trayvon Martin was living with his mother. And you have no idea whether his father was freeloading off of his girlfriend. He was gainfully employed, so how do you know that he wasn’t paying some of the bills?

        There is no way to tell if Martin had reached Brandy Green’s townhome (not apartment). Rachel Jeantel couldn’t see where he was, and didn’t have enough information to know. “Near” is not a precise description. And no evidence has ever been brought into play that places him there.

        And there is also no evidence to indicate that Martin doubled back, rather than zimmy continuing to look for him and finding him some distance down the dog walk area. Rachel Jeantel pointed out to the defense attorney that if Martin had been planning to fight zimmy, he would have ended the phone conversation, instead of staying on the phone until he and zimmy met up, which is what happened.

        zimmy was also not simply waiting for the police to meet him (although he was expecting them to come). If that was what he wanted to do, he could have described a place where he and the police would meet, as the police dispatcher asked him to provide, instead of asking the dispatcher to have the police call him back when they arrived.

        In fact, the claim that Martin was all the way down by Brandy Green’s home, and then ran back to the T to attack zimmy, is highly unlikely. The dog walk area was unlit and very dark, especially since it was also raining. It is not likely that he could have seen zimmy at the distance. And zimmy could easily have returned to his truck, if that is what he was doing, long before Martin reached the T.

        Maybe you should start to follow your own advice. Get your real facts straight before you open your mouth and tell everybody how little you know.

        • Libertarian Soldier

          Don’t say, “wrong” and then give false information. You are always wrong! Jeeze. Anybody who says t martin was living with his mom is stupid. There you have it! Stop making $#!+ up!

          • gbpuzzler

            I haven’t been reading about this in Wikipedia. I read your whole post before I responded to it. And would you tell me what evidence there is for your claim that Trayvon Martin wasn’t living with his mother? And why, in your mind, is this one thing so important that it automatically changes the relevant facts of the case or the value of his life?

            In claiming that I’m always wrong, you zero on in this one thing and ignore everything else that I said that bears more directly on the events surrounding the shooting. If you can’t refute them, then you have no basis for claiming that I’m always wrong.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Yeah, it was on his facebook page and in his texts that his mom sent him to live with his uncle, in Miami Gardens. His friend asked him if he was a hood. He responded that no, he was a “Gangsta”. Try using his own words. Can’t believe you can’t find that! Hey, there are literally hundreds of articles! You break a nail or something?

          • gbpuzzler

            Is it safe to assume that you didn’t personally check out his Facebook page and texts? What I have read is that after Trayvon Martin’s death, filthy troglodytes like the people whose web posts you put so much stock in hacked into his Facebook account and started posting all kinds of garbage. His parents eventually requested that it be taken down.

            As for the text or post that you described, notice that it is vague and doesn’t really say anything. You didn’t say that they discussed anything about any particular crimes or other misbehavior. Without that, what Martin said could very well have been just a joke or a teenaged boy talking tough.

            Yes, I can easily believe that there are hundreds of articles. The low-life zimmy supporting scum love to repeat the same garbage over and over, and don’t mind making up new garbage when people get tired of the old garbage.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            What is it with you and the troglodytes? They rape and bully you, too?

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You always guess wrong and accept your own conjecture as fact. You’re just always wrong.

          • gbpuzzler

            Would you care to tell me what I “guessed wrong” about in this case?

          • Libertarian Soldier

            If you’re not getting it from Wikipedia, the one place I’ve seen this mis-reporting that martin’s residence was with his mother, you’re getting bad information. Didn’t you once say that martin lived in Sanford with his father’s booty buddy?

            The whole “fiancee’” lie was made up to cover the fact that martin spent the week sofa surfing while Dad, Tracy, on his booty call, banging brandy green, down the hall because t.b. martin was kicked out of school and his uncle didn’t trust him to be home, where t.b. martin was actually residing, with his uncle, in Miami Gardens, during the daytime, unsupervised.

            Good kids; not thugs; not kids involved in drugs, weapons and school violence have no problem with their unsupervised behavior because they’re good kids. They don’t get kicked out of school multiple times. They don’t get sent by their mother to live with an uncle. Their uncle and mother don’t admit that they can’t trust or supervise them and send them on a booty call with their father.

            You are not good at this! You are not a litigator. The professionals already took their bite at the apple, a poison apple, factually. If they can’t do it, there’s no shame in knowing you can’t. Still, using the same irrelevant, speculative, fallacious arguments, over and over, having them dispelled simply with facts and the law and your racist mental disposition, your emotion based learning disability keep you from understanding. You will never get it. You’re incapable of common sense, of seeing things as they are instead of how your prejudices want them to be.

            We call that delusional. When I say we, I mean everybody but you and those cursed with your psychosis.

          • gbpuzzler

            “Didn’t you once say that martin lived in Sanford with his father’s booty buddy?”

            I never said that Trayvon Martin lived in Sanford. I said that we don’t know whether his father, Tracy Martin, lived in Sanford, either with Brandy Green or at a different address.

            “The whole “fiancee’” lie was made up to cover the fact that..”

            What “fiancee” lie? Are you claiming that Green was not Tracy Martin’s fiancee? What is your evidence for this claim? And why does it matter?

            “Good kids; not thugs; not kids involved in drugs, weapons and school violence have no problem with their unsupervised behavior because they’re good kids. They don’t get kicked out of school multiple times.”

            That’s a ridiculous argument. The unspoken basis for the argument is that teenagers are either all good, always doing what they are supposed to and never getting into trouble, or all bad, liable to mug people and burn down houses if you don’t keep an eye on them. That’s total nonsense! Teenager’s aren’t perfect. As an example, a lot of teens who certainly aren’t criminals need to be prodded to get their homework or chores done, and may occasionally get involved in stupid pranks. A lot of parents whose kids are good most of the time, and by no means criminals, would not care to have them be staying at home unsupervised, all day, with nothing to do, for a week or more.

            And by the way, about the school suspensions: school records say that the first suspension was for tardiness, the second for writing three letter on a locker with a marker, and the third for having a baggie with marijuana residue in his backpack. He had no record of fighting or other violent acts. The school seems to be one of many that, in recent years, have come to grossly overuse suspension in place of lesser punishments and disciplinary measures for relatively minor offenses.

            Many parents would not care to have a school suspension turn into an unscheduled vacation. (This is all the more a problem because Trayvon Martin likely would not have had a chance to pick up homework after being informed of the suspension.) One very plausible scenario is that his parents handed down certain requirements or rules to be met during the term of the suspension, and, like many kids, he may have let it be known to them that he was not too happy about it. Then they may have felt it necessary for him to have more supervision during the suspension, to make sure that he followed the rules or did what he was supposed to. Wanting a kid to be supervised doesn’t have to mean, as you implied, that they might be out mugging people or burning down houses otherwise.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            What you said was that martin lived with his mother and you were emphatic about it.

          • gbpuzzler

            Yes, and his mother was living in Miami Gardens.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            That’s how you explain the dichotomy of saying that young martin lived with his mother at the time he was killed while battering zimmerman when he lived with his uncle, after I’ve already told you he did not and he lived with his uncle because he was out of his mother’s control?

            Living in the same city, which is Irrelevant doesn’t make it so! You’re f’ed up!

          • gbpuzzler

            You claimed that I said that Trayvon Martin lived in Sanford, which I didn’t.

            I’m not sure what dichotomy you’re talking about, except that between your views and mine. Trayvon Martin did not batter Zimmerman. And I really don’t believe the claim that he was living with his uncle because his mother couldn’t control him. Certainly, he wasn’t perfect, but there is no evidence of him getting into serious trouble, and definitely no evidence of violent behavior prior to the run-in with Zimmerman, unlike Zimmerman himself.

            I believe that this is a story manufactured by the lying Zimmerman lovers, to feed into their narrative about Trayvon Martin being a thug, which is why you are so heavily emotionally invested in this claim.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You said he was going home.

          • gbpuzzler

            As best I can remember, I didn’t say that. Would you care to provide a clarification and quote of the item in which I said that?

          • Libertarian Soldier

            I think you’ll find her living on the gravy train. The “fiance’” of the mother and the “fiancee’”, actual booty call of the father are sitting home while martin’s father and mother tour together collecting money from the speaking engagements and rallies around the country and abroad. Yes, they’re speaking in front of the UN and the NAACP and getting big pay for it.

            Crime does pay, for the martin crime family.

          • gbpuzzler

            You forgot to mention how crime paid for Zimmerman. He was collecting money for killing a black teenager. And he wasn’t out making speeches for a foundation like Trayvon Martin’s parents, he was spending the money by sitting in a hotel room posting to his website and eating pizza.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Wait a minute! I didn’t forget anything, particularly something I would never say. Don’t assume to know what I know or what I might have forgotten. You might think this hypocritical but that’s because you are what you are. You also think you’re normal and rational. You’re not. You don’t even understand yourself or how your mind works, so don’t comment on mine.

            You always have to lie! You always have to make up something emotionally dishonest to make a point. Nobody except you agrees with you when you say stuff like this. Zimmerman is on the sofa circuit. He can’t get a job. He has nowhere to go because he can’t stay with his parents for more than 1 day in row. Zimmerman, if he makes anything at all, on speaking engagements, doesn’t make it because he killed a teenager, a concept you don’t even accurately understand since he legally, morally and ethically has been judged to have acted reasonably, in self defense in a trial in front of the public and the courts that never should have happened.

            Therein is the reason for his speaking.

            You’re an ignorant, racist 4$$#0L3!

          • gbpuzzler

            “I didn’t forget anything, particularly something I would never say.”

            I apologize, that was poor wording on my part. I should have said “You neglected to mention that…” rather than “You forgot that…”

            “Zimmerman is on the sofa circuit. He can’t get a job.”

            I doubt that he’s been looking.

            “He has nowhere to go because he can’t stay with his parents for more than 1 day in row.”

            Why, are they unable to get along? I remember reading that they had been on bad terms for many years before the shooting. For some reason, Georgie’s crime caused them to circle the wagons. So I guess that things are now back to business as usual.

            “Zimmerman, if he makes anything at all, on speaking engagements, doesn’t make it because he killed a teenager,”

            He doesn’t make money on speaking engagements because he doesn’t have much to say that’s worth listening to. But he seems to be finding ways to get money in other ways, because of his acolytes who still worship him for killing a black teenager.

            “since he legally, morally and ethically has been judged to have acted reasonably,…”

            That’s nonsense. The “Not Guilty” verdict does not in any way declare his actions to have been morally or ethically justifiable. Most of the jurors felt that they were not.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Yeah, you did.

    • elifor

      When someone is following you . Ignore them . Avoid contact. Go to your destination. Normal people who follow the law and avoid trouble handle being followed in the above described manner.

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    WOW

  • VAHAWK

    Trayvon sized up GZ, and decided he would have a little fun whippin’ his azz. He punched his square in the face, breaking, and displacing the dude’s nose .

    • gbpuzzler

      More like, GZ sized up Trayvon and decided that it would be fun to “play cop” on him. Trayvon sized up GZ and decided to run away.

  • VAHAWK

    Zimmerman is one of the least guilty people that has ever been charged with a crime in the history of the American judicial system.

    • gbpuzzler

      Far from it.

  • Delores Costa

    Zimmerman’s a predator.. And I knew this about him before i even found this audio..If black people did not exist at all on this planet..he would find some other group to hate.I believe completely about the sexual abuse. And I believe George Zimmerman’s origin of rage comes from his own mother who is an open racist. She has been a puppet master and has taught and accepted deviant behavior. She is a monster.And she spawn a little devil.

    • MARTY MAHER

      DELORES IT IS MEDICATION TIME — – MEDICATION TIME DELORES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Libertarian Soldier

      Shame on you

  • Pat Hartley

    I don’t understand a word she is saying!

  • Jill88

    It’s all relevant. It speaks
    to his history of manipulation, harassment, intimidation, violence, and
    sexual harassment or assault. It shows a progression, escalating
    sociopathic type of behavior. What she says is in line with other
    statements from others. It is also in line with things he’s posted or
    said. They want to show he is no angel and has taken every opportunity
    to violate someone or manipulate or harass or intimidate. Soooo who do
    you think started the altercation? Boy walking home from the store on
    his cell phone minding his business or a man with a violent history and
    checkered past. Benjamin Crump said CREDIBILITY IS EVERYTHING. OMara
    said he didn’t want wit#9 statements to be released bec they DAMAGE HIS
    CLIENT’S CREDIBILITY. Credibility is everything.

    • spectr

      She clearly lied to police, then came up with her mental illness admissions, and she admits to her jealousy and participation.
      Of course, she was never constantly giggling, and never jumped and tackled George & Robert every time she seen them.
      Her pop always siding with George absolutely infuriated her, especially at work.
      What kind of nut case would humiliate her entire family.
      If she was so afraid, she would’ve never called “his friends” at the SPD when not knowing any of the events, utterly hilarious.
      Only the feeble minded morons of our society can’t see past her sickness.
      Look at her mugshot, it says it all.

      • OdessaGirl

        She is not a credible witness and Corey only released this hearsay to make George look bad. The abuse never happened. Keep up the quest to seek truth. Later.

        • Michael

          On a credibility level with Rachel Jeantel. -5 and still going lower

          • OdessaGirl

            Yep.

    • MARTY MAHER

      AND JILL WHO TOYED WITH YOU AS A LITTLE GIRL MAYBE BIG BROTHER–GET OVER IT AND TAKE YOUR MEDICATION –MEDICATION TIME JILL!!!!!

    • Libertarian Soldier

      Then why didn’t the evidence speak to that?

  • TruthSeeker

    fyi: there is a date for the first statement…it came in to SPD on Feb 28.  See very first discovery docs.

    • TruthSeeker

      I knew you guys would have these ….amazing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Terrance-Jones/100003844972545 Terrance Jones

    Cuckoo, Cuckoo, Cuckoo

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XICC6NMLXLM24R5VGJOWV675DU bill j

    This woman is all BS.  why didn’t she talk to the FBI?  Do you think the court would accept an anonymous witness?

    • mandywhitby

      She did come out right after. Her one audio has been on here for a long time. She is his family why say all this and tear apart a family if it wasnt true.

      • Libertarian Soldier

        Irrelevent

  • Me.

    2:07: “I can’t stand seeing that some kid got shot and kill over a stupid fight, especially one that my..”

    The tape was clearly edited.  That sentence almost certainly ended with “ex-boyfriend.”  So chances are the person in this recording is in fact Witness 9.

    • OdessaGirl

      Yes it is.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Terrance-Jones/100003844972545 Terrance Jones

    This lady is a couple bananas short of a fruitcake

  • SnapsBacula

    You #hoodies will believe every false narrative created by Ryan Julison, Ben Crump, & Angela Corey because it fits your preconceived notions about race relations, but you won’t believe the hard evidence and the original statements of all the witnesses.  What a joke.  Enjoy your new fascist state and your overlords, Obama & Holder!  Psh…

  • Pinklipstick2000

    Do you have to log in to listen?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002642131461 Chéri Elaine AxiomAmnesia Prac

      No, you don’t have to log in or register to listen.  If you are having trouble hearing the files, please try a different web browser.

  • http://twitter.com/AaliyahFan_Rick Slick Rick

    Although she didn’t mention George is a racist, but she says he don’t like black simply. It’s clear as day.

    • Libertarian Soldier

      Irrelevant! Prejudicial!

  • Jamie Scott

    It doesn’t matter what she says…it comes down to who started the fight and if that is Trayvon or George “pleading for their life” on the 911 tape.
    The prosecutor  can’t prove who started the fight and since the evidence shows it most likely that Trayvon went back and confronted George he most likely started the fight and the only person that has heard Trayvon’s voice before and says it’s Trayvon “pleading for his life” on the 911 tape is Trayvon’s mother (his father said it was NOT him days after the shooting) George, his family and eye witnesses say it was George or that the person was yelling for help when Trayvon was on top of George assaulting him.

    You could have the most racist person in the world and if they get attacked and have their head slammed into the pavement by someone who happens to be black they can defend themselves, just because someone may be racist doesn’t mean they can’t defend themselves if they did NOT break any laws before getting attacked.

    BTW, when the prosecutor says George profiled Trayvon they are talking about criminally profiled NOT racially profiled.

    • Claudia Zayas

      That is the dumbest thing Ive ever heard! You CANT profile someone that is doing NOTHING wrong, follow him, start a confrontation, (yes I said start, because the moment he left his car and started following on foot he started a confrontration!) and then claim “oh I was so scared for my life!”…. How the hell you’re going to claim you were scared when you were the one that left the car to follow this stranger?! MAKES NO SENSE!

      • Mellowbro

        Exactly Claudia! This is why all of his statement are inconsistent and why investigators are saying his re-inactment makes no sense. You don’t go after someone you fear, and why did Trayvon run in the first place? Everyone seems to assume the altercation started with Zimmerman’s 911 call, but how do we know what went on before that call? There had to be some reason Trayvon started running. I don’t think I’d start running just because I saw someone looking my way on a cell phone. Zimmermanstarted the altercation when he called 911, he started an action against Trayvon, who was doing nothing. Even if he was looking about like George says, there is no crime in that. I have also always felt that it makes no sense that Zimmermans supporters claim It’s George screaming for help, this man was armed with a permitted handgun. You really aren’t going to really be fearful of a teenager, when you’re almost twice his age, and you know you have a loaded weopon in you waist of your pants. I believe that Zimmerman father is quite familiar with lying since he’s probably has heard every lie under the sun and that he is advising his son on how to beat the justice system. Otherwise, how would he even know the Stand Your Ground law even existed? Not people never even knew it existed, before Trayvon’s death

        • carol Dinsmore

           Your right, you only go to see where he went, since he is already heading down towards the exit by then, btw it wasn’t 911 it’s a non emergency call, and Trayvon was loitering on private property and looking at the window during the magic hour.

          Laying in wait for the a**hole who called the police on you and then attacking is a serious crime, look and listen to the evidence, bias and propaganda makes fools of many.

          Talk about GZ’s father lying, the Martins have lied about their own son constantly and to the whole world, every single word they say is a lie, Crump lies constantly and they are all the laughing stock of the country,talk about embarrassing, what kind of people would do such a thing and think INTELLIGENT people would take them serious.

          • Nawlins12

            @ Carol stop fooling yourself. To bad you can’t take back that nonsense you’ve written above. Smh. It’s an embarrassment to yourself.

          • Jill88

            You are stupid.  End of story. 

          • mandywhitby

            Why are george supporters so ignorant. Treyvon was loitering on private property? He was staying at his fathers girlfriends house which was on the property. So he was exactly where he was suppose to be. The MURDER happened close to the house. Lying in wait for the asshole. Its funny you say that as its george who is on tape saying “Im sick of these assholes always getting away” Your arguments actually are for treyvon.
            LIARS. Um we know how easily george lies as hes done it court three times.

          • msraingirl2

            your racist fangs r hanging out I feel sorry for you u don’t know truth when it slaps your face so sad

          • gbpuzzler

            Trayvon wasn’t loitering on private property. He was in the development’s common area, probably paid for by HOA fees. He was allowed to be there because he was a guest of a resident.

            He wasn’t looking a the window because he was busy running away from Zimmerman. He wasn’t lying in wait for Zimmerman, he was talking on the phone with a friend. He had no way of knowing that Zimmerman had called the police. The fact that Zimmerman couldn’t hear him while on the phone with the police means that Trayvon was probably far enough away that he couldn’t hear Zimmerman, either.

            The altercation didn’t start until a minute or more after Zimmerman got off the phone. During that time, Trayvon was still on the phone. Other than Zimmerman’s say so, there is not evidence that Trayvon attacked him, rather than the other way around. And Zimmerman has lied about many things.

        • MARTY MAHER

          MEDICATION TIME MAYBE TRAYVON RAN BECAUSE HE HAD TO HIDE HIS DOPE WHY DID TRAYVON HAVE A LIGHTER FROM 7-11 WHEN HE DID NOT BUY ONE AT 7-11 THE NIGHT HE WAS JUSTIFABLY SHOT. DID HE BUY IT THE OTHER TIME HE WENT SO HE COULD BURN ANTS ALIVE?
          OR MAYBE SMOKE A BLUNT!!!!!!!1 GET REAL PEOPLE LOOK HIS FACEBOOK GET REAL HIS FFACE BOOK WHICH HE POSTED HIS OWN DEPRAVED HISTORY

          • Michael

            Yeah. It’s almost as if the prosecution made Trayvon out to be something he really wasn’t. Oh wait. That is what they did and failed

          • gbpuzzler

            No, that’s what the defense tried to do.

          • gbpuzzler

            If he was hiding dope, it was never found, so you have no basis for that claim. So what if he had a lighter, since he was legally allowed to have it? He wasn’t hurting anyone with it, so it’s not a legitimate reason for Zimmerman to assault and shoot him. The “depraved” Facebook history was put in there by sick, racist zimmy acolytes who hacked into his account after his death so that they could make the sick, disgusting claim that he was a thug who “deserved to die”.

      • Liquidmark

        THEY’RE COMIN’ RIGHT AT US!

        *Blamblamblam*

        Did you see the look in the eyes of those cute little bunny rabbits? They were poised to strike while pretending to cower in the corner!

        • MARTY MAHER

          HEY GRIZ IT DOESN’T COUNT WHEN YOU GIVE YOURSELF A THUMBS UP! MEDICATION TIME DUDE

      • http://twitter.com/jimbuttpoop Jim Butt

        Actually, yes, you absolutely can. You also have every right to defend yourself using whatever means necessary when it turns out that your suspicions were corrrect after you get assaulted and beaten into the concrete by the animal you were following.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/XICC6NMLXLM24R5VGJOWV675DU bill j

          So because George and his cousin played doctor when they were minors, he’s guilty of second degree murder?

          • Libertarian Soldier

            In Race Baiter Land, Yes!

        • gbpuzzler

          Since those things didn’t happen, it was not necessary for Zimmerman to shoot Trayvon Martin to adequately defend himself, and he had no right to do so. Being beaten into the concrete is a story that Zimmerman made up to justify what he had done.

      • MARTY MAHER

        HEY LOOK UP THE WORD CONFRONTATION LOL MEDICATION TIME WEBSTER DICTIONARY CONFRONT MEANS GET OUT OF CAR AND FOLLOW! LOL FOLLOW MEANS FOLLOW CONFRONT MEANS CONFRONT FACE TO FACE FOLLOWING WOULD MEAN SOME ONE’S BACK IS TURNED TO U UNLESS TRAYVON WAS WALKING BACKWARDS MY LORD LETS MAKE THINGS UP! MEDICATION TIME!!!!!!!!!

      • Libertarian Soldier

        When you misstate the facts, the misstatement of the facts preclude the sense you can’t make.

    • mandywhitby

      Twice treyvon was by george yet he didnt say anything to him. George says on 911 hes running. Why would he run from george but then come back. That doesnt make sense. It sounds on 911 call that he is running too which is when the 911 operator say are you following him. To me and many others evidence shows that george was looking for treyvon after he ran and caught up to him which is why it happened not far from treyvons house.
      As for the voice george on tape says it doesnt even sound like me. Even if it is george it doesnt mean he didnt start it. It just means hes losing and needing help. George called police in the first place so in his mind this kid is guilty of something and he wanted to hold him until police got there as “he was sick of these assholes always getting away” When he tried to apprehend treyvon, treyvon was scared as it wasnt a cop and he was doing notthing wrong.
      If your going by evidence it really doesnt look good for george. Inconsistent statements to police, injuries dont fit ( smashing head on concrete yet little cut)lying in court of law 3 times.money, passport, treyvons age. With the evidence any jury will convict him.

      • sinbadsailor

        The narrative that George Zimmerman defied police and followed Trayvon is a media hoax.

        The 911 call by George Zimmerman was four minutes and five seconds
        long. If Trayvon Martin was actually heading back to his father’s
        girlfriends’ townhouse, he would have reached the townhouse before the
        three minute mark. He was .1 mile or less than the townhouse when he
        took off running. Trayvon should have been home and had his skittles
        half eaten by the time George Zimmerman even hung up the phone.

        • Liquidmark

          Zimmerman went looking for trayvon after he lost him. Also, Trayvon did not have a duty to retreat. It stands to reason that he would probably not want to lead a stalker back to his home.

          • MARTY MAHER

            BY THE LOOK YOUR PHOTO GRIZ YOU DID NOT TAKE YOUR MEDICATION GRIZ ITS MEDICATION TIME!

          • Libertarian Soldier

            More faulty logic, the timeline, the phone records and the testimony of the state’s star witness put martin back at his father’s girlfriend’s apartment where young martin was the guest of a guest in George Zimmerman’s gated community.

            That means tryavon martin would have had to have doubled back to find George Zimmerman. Factually, tryavon martin was the stalker.

            The idea that tryavon martin did not have a duty to retreat is moot. He did have a duty not to stalk, accost, attack, batter, beat, pummel, smother, threaten the life of, curse and tell to shut up a resident in his own gated community where this guest of a guest had come to be the worst mannered house guest ever.

          • gbpuzzler

            Wrong, there is NOTHING that put Trayvon Martin back at Brandy Green’s townhome. Rachel Jeantel had no way of knowing for sure where Martin was. He just said that he was “near” Green’s home, but Jeantel had no way to see where Martin was. For that matter, Martin could have been confused or uncertain about how far he was from Green’s home. Between the time that Martin disappeared from zimmy’s view and the time that people started to hear the commotion that alerted them to the altercation, we have no information that would let us pinpoint Martin’s location.

            The fact that zimmy did not want to give the police a specific location to meet, and the fact that he did not return to his car even though he had plenty of time to do so, make it likely that he continued to search for Martin. It is not the case that Trayvon Martin would have had to have doubled back to find zimmy. It is more likely that zimmy went down the path to find Martin. Factually, it is more likely that zimmy, not Martin, was the stalker.

            There is no evidence that Martin stalked, accosted, attacked, battered, beat, pummeled, smothered, threatened the life of zimmy, or even cursed him or told him to shut up. There is evidence that zimmy stalked, assaulted, and deliberately killed Trayvon Martin. The problem was not that Martin was “the worst mannered house guest ever”. It is that zimmy was the worst mannered host and neighbor ever, to Trayvon Martin and to other black residents and guests at Retreat and Twin Lakes.

        • MARTY MAHER

          BRAVO A MAN WITH A RATIONAL MIND BRAVO!!! BUT ALAS ASK TRAYVONITES IN THAT 1.30 MINUTES WHERE DID HE GO! TO HIDE HIS DOPE AND CIRCLE AROUND AND ATTACK GEORGE WELL THATS WHAT THEY DO TO WHITE HISPANICS IN MIAMI GARDENS

          • gbpuzzler

            What dope? There is no evidence that he had any dope on him that evening, nor that he circled back to attack George Zimmerman.

        • Libertarian Soldier

          There needs to be a truthful narrative, one that doesn’t include this false assertion tht George Zimmerman defied anybody. The civilian dispatcher not only could not have lawfully order George Zimmerman not to follow tryavon martin, he did not. He said, “We don’t need you to do that.” Furthermore, George Zimmerman did not follow him further and legally, it would not matter whether he did, even though he did not.

          You have actually made the point for the defense, as supported by phone records and the person on the phone with tryavon martin. He said he was at his father’s girlfriend’s apartment.

          Unless George Zimmerman followed him to the apartment, then dragged him all the way back near the parking lot, tryavon martin would have had to have doubled back to find, accost and attack Zimmerman.

          Not feeling the faulty logic. In fact, it’s likely that if Zimmerman had stayed in his vehicle, he still would have been accosted, attacked…

          • atoz350

            Only if Trayvon was the Superman you are making him out to be and punched Zimmerman right through his door.

          • gbpuzzler

            If we’re looking for a truthful narrative, you won’t be the one providing it. What is the basis for your claim that Zimmerman did not follow Martin further? He had the opportunity to return to his car and didn’t do it. Legally, he wasn’t required to, but what do you think he was doing? Just standing there? Or is it more likely that he continued to search for Martin?

            Martin said that he was “near” Brandy’s home, not “at” her home. There is no way to know how close he was. There is also no reason to believe that he continued to move around the whole time, instead of simply waiting in the dark, watching, while he was still on the phone with Rachel J.

            No part of the altercation or shooting occurred near the parking lot. It happened on the dog walk path, somewhat in the direction of Brandy Green’s home from the cutthrough path where Martin left the street.

            If Martin were so determined to assault Zimmerman that he would have done it with Zimmerman in his locked vehicle, where Zimmerman could have run him over and driven away, why wouldn’t he have done so in the first place, instead of running away and then coming back? This assertion is one of your more preposterous claims.

      • Jill88

         Mandy I have been saying the same thing. Who the heck goes to the store for some treats, while walking home is talking on the phone and decides to assault someone??  How often do you go to the store and on your way home, while on the phone you just decide out of the blue to assault someone?  And then on top of that, while on said phone there is a witness says to this person “You are going to die tonight motherf*cker!”  I makes absolutely no f*cking sense.  And many people say this was not Martins character, but we do know what Zimmerman’s character is…manipulative, violent, racist, prejudice, hateful, bitter disgusting little troll.  Where he screwed up at is that he didn’t know Martin was on the phone. Some things he says and she says correlate such as when Zimmerman asked “What are you doing here?”  Then Martin says “Why are you following me?”  He said Zimmerman was following him, not the other way around.

        • http://twitter.com/jimbuttpoop Jim Butt

          Wrong. This sort of behavior is exactly what one would expect from Trayvon who has a history of delinquent animalistic behavior. It’s a wonderful thing that justice was finally done to him.

          • bennett franklin

             Karma jim,Karma.Get to know it.

          • http://twitter.com/jimbuttpoop Jim Butt

            Zimmerman is a hero, and Trayvon was a violent ape upon whom swift justice was enacted. Absolute poetry.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            No heroes! That’s absurd. Factually, George Zimmerman is the survivor of a racially motivated, violent, hate crime.

            Hero is a bit much

          • gbpuzzler

            George Zimmerman was the perpetrator, and Trayvon Martin the victim, of a violent crime that was in part racially motivated. We know this, because Zimmerman had a long record of harrassing and/or calling the police on black boys and men, who usually had done nothing more than being seen by him in his neighborhood.

            Trayvon Martin had no record of violent behavior or of bullying or harrassing people of other races. His alleged “hate crime” was using what appears to be a racial slur in his description of someone who was behaving in a “creepy” way that suggested that he might intend to harm Martin. There is no reason to believe that he would have tried to fight Zimmerman if Zimmerman had not tried to illegally detain him.

            The case is an example of someone who gets away with a crime by making up a story that the prosecution can’t or won’t effectively defend against, despite the fact that, in many relevant respects, it doesn’t fit the evidence. Zimmerman’s very minor injuries would prevent this from being a perfect case of self defense, even if the rest of his story was true, since he had little reason to believe that he would be seriously injured by Martin.

            Yes, emotion, racism, the media, and politics polluted the administration of justice, but not in the way that you claim. The presumption of innocence was shown to be strong in protecting George Zimmerman.

          • MARTY MAHER

            DITTO YOU WILL SEE PEOPLE WHO DON’T LIKE THE LAW MAKE THINGS UP TO MAKE THEMSELVES FEEL BETTER. NO MATER WHAT YOU SAY GEORGE IS ALWAYS GUILTY JUST FOR TEH FACT THEY THINK HE FOLLOWED TRAYVON FORGET TRAYVON MOST LIKELY ATTACKED ZIMMERMAN.. NEVER LET THE FACTS GET IN THE WAY!!!!!!!!

          • gbpuzzler

            A lot of people don’t “forget” that Trayvon most likely attacked Zimmerman, they think that it’s not true. There is no evidence other than Zimmerman’s claims that Trayvon was the one who attacked first, and there is some reason to believe otherwise.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            It’s a trajic thing that he’ll never learn to be a grateful, respectful, well mannered guest in his father’s girlfriend’s and George Zimmerman’s gated community.

          • gbpuzzler

            No reasonable person would claim that a teenager needs to be a “grateful, respectful, well-mannered guest” to someone who, by his “creepy” behavior, arouses reasonable fears that he might intend to do the teenager harm! Getting treated as a host is a privilege reserved for those who behave reasonably towards, their “guests”, or at worst, leave them alone.It is only unfortunate that Trayvon Martin wasn’t better at avoiding Zimmerman or getting away from him.

            The one who needs to learn better behavior is George Zimmerman. Unfortunately, the aftermath of the shooting has taught him the wrong lessons. He has learned from the people who became his acolytes because they feel that white people should be permitted to kill black people on minor pretexts. He has learned that he can get away with anything if he can invent lies that someone will buy because they want to believe him. So far, he has been getting away with it.

          • gbpuzzler

            Speaking of “being a good guest”, Trayvon Martin was the guest of Brandy Green, his father’s girlfriend, not of George Zimmerman, the creepy guy who followed him for no good reason.

            With Tracy Martin (Trayvon’s father) and Brandy Green away for the evening, the only person at home was Brandy’s son, Chad.

            When Trayvon Martin did not attempt to return to Green’s home, he prevented Zimmerman, the creepy guy following him who may have meant to harm him, away from Chad, thereby perhaps protecting him from Zimmerman.

            It seems to me that preventing possible danger to the child of one’s host is, in fact, being a very good guest.

          • gbpuzzler

            That’s a ridiculous statement. What “animalistic behavior” did Trayvon Martin commit? He had a history of being late for school, writing on a school locker, and using marijuana. While these are wrong behaviors, none of these is the least bit violent, and many people who grow up to be responsible citizens did worse when they were teenagers.

        • mandywhitby

          Yes. It honestly boggles my mind how people think it was ok what he did. Today on The view barbara walters says george planned a interview and they flew to florida and then he cancelled due to one issue which bw couldnt do. She wouldnt say what but its money he wanted and when they couldnt pay then he cancelled. They talk about it today live and during show george and lawyer calls in and says he wants to talk. Who cares who else is on the show cause its all about george. He thinks he can do what he wants and im so glad today they said we wanted the interview yesterday and now that he calling we are not talking to him as we have other guests. He only cares about himself.

          • MARTY MAHER

            TRAYVON WAS DEAD YESTERDAY HE IS DEAD TODAY AND HE WILL BE DEAD TOMORROW GET OVER IT HEY BYTHEWAY YOU THINK TRAYVON IS SUCH A NICE KID GO HANGOUT IN MIAMI GARDENS- HIS HOOD – I BET YOUR A DRIVE BY STATISTIC IN MINUTES

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Don’t forget that he did not live at his fther’s girlfriend’s apartment or his mother’s home. He lived with his uncle because…

            You make the connection. You think he was a sweet kid, fearing for his life, attacked by the mean old man after he was already at the father’s girlfriend’s apartment then he’s back by the parking lot and sitting on Zimmerman’s chest.

          • gbpuzzler

            There is no evidence that he was already behind Brandy Green’s townhome. He may have wanted to avoid being caught while trying to get back into the townhome, or he may have wanted to avoid possibly leading Zimmerman to it. After Zimmerman met up with him, he couldn’t go home because Zimmerman was determined not to let him escape.

            Or, he may have just wanted to continue his conversation with Rachel J before deciding what to do next, and felt that there was little risk in hiding in the dark to do so. That may have been the wrong choice, who knows? Teenagers are not generally expected to show great judgment; adults are usually expected to do better in that department. Yet you bozos who want to blame Trayvon Martin, a teenager, for his own death would have us believe that he deserved to die because he may have shown poor judgment, without hurting anyone, but don’t set the same expectations for George Zimmerman, an adult.

          • gbpuzzler

            He lived with his uncle because… Zimmerman acolytes invented a story that he did, because they believed that it fit their made-up narrative that Trayvon Martin was a thug who deserved to be killed.

            There is no evidence that he was already by Brandy Green’s townhome. There is no evidence that he was ever sitting on Zimmerman’s chest, there is only Zimmerman’s word for it. And they weren’t “back by the parking lot”. They were on the dog walk path, not near the clubhouse, which would have been the nearest parking lot.

          • gbpuzzler

            So a kid should be assumed to be a thug because he happens to live in a bad neighborhood? That’s illogical.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            I’m betting a thermos boggles your mind if you listen to the blind

          • Michael

            He probably cancelled because he figured it would be edited like the NBC smear job

          • gbpuzzler

            “what George Zimmerman did was not only OK; it was flawless, legally, ethically and in every other way…

            Totally untrue! He knew that following Trayvon Martin was against Neighborhood Watch policy and he had been advised not to do it by the police dispatcher and he continued to do it anyway! He had no reason for getting into a fight with a teenager who was trying to escape from him and then for shooting and killing him! He made up a bunch of lies so that he could try to claim self-defense, but when his story and the evidence are examined carefully, his story doesn’t hold up.

        • kittycreek

          Sean Hannity (a celebrity who lies for a living) endorsed a murderer and now every Fox bot in the world will make up lies to defend GZ and demonize TM. That’s why you can’t tell these people anything – they are under the influence of BS Mountain!

          • Libertarian Soldier

            That’s a serious charge for anybody other than jay carney, that they lie for a living. Do you have any evidence of that charge?

            Let’s see some.

            BTW, you use kittycreek as a handle. Do you know what kitty creek is?

        • MARTY MAHER

          DOEDOE JILL- RACHEL TESTIFIES TRAYVON 1ST DEMANDS TO GEORGE ZIM WHY ARE YOU FOLLOWING ME THEN GEORGE RESPONDS TO TRAYVON—SO I GUESS YOUR MAKING THINGS UP AGAIN MEDICATION TIME JILL

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Don’t forget, this witness impeached her own testimony and prior statements. You are able to use what you believe of her testimony but you must consider the source when you don’t know whether she was lying before or lying now or how much she lied about.

          • gbpuzzler

            Rachel J had lied to try to avoid having to get involved in the case, but she was pretty consistent in describing what had happened in the incident that ended in Zimmerman killing Trayvon Martin.

        • Libertarian Soldier

          By the way, trayvon martin, the heck, went to the store to buy the first two ingredients of his ‘favorite high’ according to his facebook page. Did you notice, in the evidence, that he wasn’t drinking or eating on the way to not his home but his father’s girlfriend’s apartment where for a few days later he was supposed to go home, back to his uncle’s house where he lived, in Miami? That’s right. Home was not the apartment of Tracy Martin’s girlfriend (where he was a fairly bad guest of a guest in somebody else’s gated community) or Sabrina Fulton’s dwelling. Ever ask why that is?

          I digress; the Arizona Watermelon juice drink and the skittles were not opened. Know why? The reason why is that tryvon martin’s ‘favorite high’ was the ‘sizzurp’, the ‘purple drank’. When you mix these two ingredients with cough syrup, you get trayvon martin’s ‘favorite high’ according to his facebook page.

          I’m going to use your words because I’m going to agree with you, mostly because you’re writing things that are not in evidence. You’ve been listening to somebody that didn’t watch the whole trial because your statements are not right, not even close. Here’s what you said and I agree:

          “I makes absolutely no f*cking sense.”

          Yeah, you don’t!

          • gbpuzzler

            Neither Arizona watermelon flavored drink nor Skittles are commonly used in making Sizzurp. And Travyon Martin did not buy the one ingredient in sizzurp that actually causes the high, namely, the cough syrup. He bought two sugary snack items that are consumed by thousands of law-abiding citizens every day.

            According to family members, he had bought the items to consume during a basketball game that he had planned to watch. That is why he wasn’t consuming them on his way home. In addition, he had bought the Skittles at the request of Chad, the young boy who lived at the townhome that he had been visiting. He probably had intended to give the Skittles to Chad or share them with him. He also had been on the phone during most of the time that he was walking back.

            As for his Facebook page, it had been hacked into after his death, and so much garbage was posted on it that there is no reason to trust what was posted there.

            You have no call to criticize others for making false statements or saying things that make no sense, since you have done both many times on this comment board.

      • Libertarian Soldier

        That’s a good question. We can’t ask him because he’s dead. We can’t ask him why he tweeted, ‘I want to start a fight…’ You have to admit that if Rachel J is telling any truth martin racially profiled Zimmerman and was already at the apartment but didn’t go in. I can’t explain that, either.

        There is absolutely no evidence, except you and those like you (your terms) want to believe Mr. Zimmerman is lying when when he went to the clubhouse to get the numbers off the front to tell the police that were responding know where to meet him while he waited.

        There is no evidence to support your baseless suppositions that George Zimmerman started the felonious, hate crime, the racially motivated battery that he defended against.

        Factually, that is what the evidence supports.

        What it comes down to is this: ACQUITTED! This is based on the evidence presented by the prosecution.

        • gbpuzzler

          “We can’t ask him why he tweeted, ‘I want to start a fight…’

          No, we can’t ask him that (if he actually said that) because the people who reported that just want to make Trayvon Martin look like a thug, so they’re not interested in showing the context of the remark. Why don’t we ask Zimmerman why he said “Those assholes, they always get away”?

          ” if Rachel J is telling any truth, martin racially profiled Zimmerman and was already at the apartment but didn’t go in.”

          Trayvon Martin didn’t “racially profile” anyone, he was making a remark about a creepy person who was following him. Rachel J didn’t know where Martin was, she reported what he said, and he was vague about where he was.

          “There is absolutely no evidence, except you and those like you (your terms) want to believe Mr. Zimmerman is lying when he went to the clubhouse to get the numbers off the front, to tell the police that were responding, know where to meet him while he waited.”

          You’ve got your facts wrong. zimmy had already given the dispatcher the address of the clubhouse (he gave the number wrong but the dispatcher already knew what it was). He claimed in his “reenactment” that he was going to get an address. But at that point, he hadn’t yet been asked for another address, and he admitted to the dispatcher that he was following Martin. He also never gave an address or told the police where to meet him. He asked the dispatcher to have the police call him back when they arrived – probably, so that he could go where he wanted and not be forced to go to a particular place and stay there.

          “There is no evidence to support your baseless suppositions that George Zimmerman started the felonious, hate crime, the racially motivated battery against which he successfully defended.”

          There is plenty of evidence, starting with the fact that he had been following Martin, both in his car and on foot, while Martin ran away. When they met up, Martin was still on the phone, had no weapon, and had not attempted to find one, while zimmy had been carrying a loaded gun the whole time. Then there is Rachel J’s report that Martin said “Get off, get off!”

          “George Zimmerman is a survivor against a racially based, hate crime. Factually, that is what the evidence supports.”

          The evidence does not support that at all. The evidence supports that zimmy was trying to detain Martin, who was not committing any crime, for the police, although he had no legal authority to do so, and shot him when Martin didn’t cooperate.

          “What it comes down to is this: ACQUITTED! This is based on the evidence presented by the prosecution.”

          No, it’s based on the prosecution’s failure to put the evidence together into an appropriate story, and their failure to explain to the jury what the charges against zimmy entailed and how the evidence fit those charges.

    • Jill88

       It does matter. Speaks to his character. He obviously has a history of manipulation, harassment, violence and now it looks like sexual assault.  Why do the other witnesses matter? Same reason. Why does the MySpace page matter…same reason.  He has a history of prejudice and racism. I still believe he called Martin a coon that night given his history, but this person puts the icing on the cake because she has known him for a very long time. He has been escalating and this was an eventual outcome.  He has never gotten punished for his ills.  He assaulted an officer and the charges were dropped and he just had to take anger management. His ex put a restraining order on him and he put one back on her I think I read. He was confronted by her parents about what he did to this girl and he basically says sorry and walks away? This guy thinks he can talk his way out of anything. He thought during the interrogation he could talk his way out of it, problem is Serino wasn’t buying it and it was brought up he was contradicting himself. I suppose he thought he would talk his way out of a murder too.  WRONG!! What a fkng dummy!! He deserves everything he gets and then some. 

      • MARTY MAHER

        MEDICATION TIME JILL GET BACK IN LINE ITS MEDICATION TIME

      • Libertarian Soldier

        I heard he farts in the bathtub. You just know he’s a racist if someone said he farts in the bathtub!

    • msraingirl2

      u r pretty goofy don’t u know that if geo had kept his fat stupid ass in his truck Trayvon would b alive 2 day Geo started the fight no matter what anybody says Trayvon was not following geo he was talking on his phone to his girl not bothering anyone geo lied about him looking into windows that fat punk was high on psychotropic medication and his wanna b cop status he almost got away with his cold blooded murder with the help of an entire shift and office of racist and scared cops a police chief and city manager. that punk shot Trayvon without cause he saw a back kid and decided that he was going to become a hero and take him down and he did with his gun what a piece of shit.

      • MARTY MAHER

        AND IF TRAYVON WAS NOT KICKED OUT OF SCHOOL FOR THE 3RD TIME HE WOULD NOT BE AT HIS DADS GIRLFRIENDS HOUSE

        • Libertarian Soldier

          We can play the ‘what if game’ as long as we want. What if George Zimmerman had acted like he needed to stay in his car in his own gated community where he pays dues and patrols? Yes! trayvon martin might be alive but I doubt it. I think that if George Zimmerman had stayed in his car, trayon martin would have tracked him to the car, anyway.

          What if trayvon martin was a good kid and showed some respect and some manners for the gated community and its inhabitants, maybe acted like the guest of a guest he was in somebody else’s gated community? What if he didn’t racially profile George Zimmerman as a ‘creepy a*s cracker? What if he’d not gotten kicked out of school, where he lives with his uncle, in Miami? What if he wasn’t looking to start a fight, as he tweeted the day before? What if he went into his father’s girlfriend’s apartment instead of doubling back to find George Zimmerman?

          Sure, let’s play the what if game.

          • gbpuzzler

            ” I think that if George Zimmerman had stayed in his car, trayon martin would have tracked him to the car, anyway.”

            It takes the screwed up non-reasoning of someone like you to make a claim like that. Trayvon Martin had just run away from zimmy’s car, why would he try to “track him to the car”? And what if he did? zimmy could have locked the doors to keep him out. If he was really worried, he could have driven to someplace a couple of blocks away to wait for the police.

            “What if trayvon martin was a good kid and showed some respect and some manners for the gated community and its inhabitants, maybe acted like the guest of a guest he was in somebody else’s gated community?”

            Trayvon Martin wasn’t hurting anyone until zimmy decided to chase after him.

            “What if he didn’t racially profile George Zimmerman as a ‘creepy a*s cracker?”

            What does it matter if he said that on the phone to a friend? zimmy didn’t even know he had said that.

            “What if he’d not gotten kicked out of school, where he lives with his uncle, in Miami?”

            Having a little marijuana in a baggie is not an acceptable reason for killing someone, and zimmy didn’t even know about it.

            What if he wasn’t looking to start a fight, as he tweeted that day, before?

            There’s no evidence that he was. He’s the one who ran away, zimmy’s the one who followed him and went looking for him, and the one who was carrying a gun to make sure he was protected. Trayvon Martin was carrying no weapons.

            “What if he went into his father’s girlfriend’s condo (protesters keep calling it “home”) instead of doubling back to find George Zimmerman?”

            There’s no evidence that he doubled back to find zimmy. It’s more likely that zimmy went looking for him.

      • Libertarian Soldier

        Assuming facts not in evidence! No foundation! Not substantiated!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=538374178 Jennifer Ofosua

    If she’s white, will white America be more accepting to the idea/truth that Zimmerman is in fact racist and that this murder IS in fact a racially motivated killing?

    • Jamie Scott

      George was called a racist for saying “they always get away” when he was talking about more than one person that had committed crimes in the community and gotten away.
      Trayvon’s mother said “THEY killed my son” when she was talking about ONE person that shot her son.

      George was called racist when NBC edited the 911 call to make it look like he said “he’s black” without being asked “is he White Black or Hispanic”.
      “Dee Dee” says Trayvon told her George was White without her asking ”is he White Black or Hispanic”.

      IF you are going to say George is racist for his comments (one where he was answering a question) then you would have to also say Trayvon and his mother are racist!

      • mandytoronto

        You talk about the editing in NBC yet you edit your comment. Why didnt you say the whole statement “Im sick of these ASSHOLES always getting away” It wasnt just they get away. He doesnt know treyvon but thinks hes a asshole. How was george answering a question when he says the comment? Like i said above the people who support him try any argument they can when the proof is in front of them. Yes i said them. I must be racist.

      • KA

        No, I think he is a racist for his obvious derogatory language stereotyping “Mexicans” on his My Space page in 2006. I think he is a racist for his constant belittling of a Middle Eastern man in 2008 as that he could not do his job effectively, and I think he is a racist for knowing NOTHING about 7 AA young males that he called is as “suspicious” people in his neighborhood. Someone said they he did not associate with racist people, yet was obviously VERY good friends with Frank Taffe (where he also claimed he saw Trayvon) who’s racist rants on TV and twitter is a topic of constant discussion. Think they are not still friends? Frank Taffe was shown on TV as being in the courtroom at the most recent hearing. Bet they had a few subsequent conversations as well…

        • Michael

          You can’t be derogatory to your own race. He’s HISPANIC why can’t he call them whatever he wants? Blacks call each other the ” N ” words all tithe time and its ok, just like in rap songs

      • gbpuzzler

        I think that George Zimmerman was a racist because he had frequently harassed and/or called the police on black people that he saw in his neighborhood who weren’t doing anything wrong. His comment of “they always get away” was probably talking about people that he had called the police on who were no longer there when the police arrived. Also, he assumed that Trayvon was an intruder even though the neighborhood was at least 20% black.

        The question of the tape editing and the fact that Zimmerman didn’t talk about Trayvon’s race until he was asked is a red herring. Just because he didn’t say it doesn’t mean that he didn’t notice or that it didn’t affect what he chose to do.

    • http://kdev.us/ kdev

      someones been sleeping with a black guy…

    • MARTY MAHER

      OH MY JENNIFER YOU LOOK SO BLACK AND LIKE THAT LITTLE BOY THAT GOT SHOT DEAD UP THERE IN SANFORD DRESSED HERE IN YOUR PHOTO IN YOUR CUTE LITTLE HOODIE !!!!!

      • Michael

        Gotta love they never show a recent pic of Trayvon close to what his actual age and looks were. In surprised they don’t have posters of his ultrasound in utero. Oh wait , Dems don’t like those , they are to be aborted.

        • gbpuzzler

          I’ve seen many pictures of Trayvon that were taken fairly close in time (within perhaps a year) to when he was killed. He looked like he did in the “young” pictures, except a little older. A couple of the younger pictures became available first. But I wish that the media had used some of the more recent photos more widely, once they became available. It would have shown that he still looked like a “normal”, well-adjusted teenager, and deprived the defense and the zimmy acolytes of a phony talking point.

  • mkuske mkuske

    This is obviously his ex. Funny she never says he’s racist. She just says to ask others if they’ve heard him say anything. Question: Would a racist mentor black kids? Would a racist publicly chastise the police department in defense of a black homeless man’s civil rights? Every once in a while you’ve got to use your head folks. It’s his pissed off ex, that’s it. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1233572414 Sharonda Warfield

      Being PISSED off doesn’t have anything to do with it!

    • http://www.facebook.com/changsterjuntony Changster Jun Tony

      He is putting on a farce like he put on the farce with being broke.  Even his dad shows his racism, his dad Robert stated that if Asians are responsible for a break-in, George would start harassing and stalking anyone Asian, just like he did Trayvon.  Also does not show you are very un-racist when you call a random stranger like Trayvon, a coon, an asshole, and then murder him.

      • KA

        I would LOVE to know what ever came of the other “calls” to his nonemergency number? Were they just people in the neighborhood? I also wondered why in the non emergency call why he was scared to give his address when he was inside? Shellie said in the background “DOn’t do out there”…that would indicate that he was INSIDE when making the call…yet he was scared to give his address?

        • gbpuzzler

          Most of the other people apparently were just people who were in the neighborhood. One was a little boy about 8 years old who was walking to school.

          ” I also wondered why in the non emergency call why he was scared to give his address when he was inside?”

          Not only that, but at the same time he WASN’T scared to run outside and chase them! Try to find the logic in THAT!

      • Libertarian Soldier

        Not murder; he was acquitted!

    • Wdebbiee9088

      He was ordered to mentor those kids as a condition of his deferred adjudication. . .

      • soulsistawoo

        WOW… I did not know he was ordered to mentor those children.

        Well Well Well…

        • Michael

          Did you know the world is flat? Yep it is. Believe everything you HEAR? Try checking something out. The economy is great as well , I read it or Obama said it.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Terrance-Jones/100003844972545 Terrance Jones

        You’re making stuff up

      • Ladyloree621

        Interesting do you have a link ? did not know that

        • Michael

          No link. It’s missing. So is he …..the missing link

      • Airpuff_2000

        Thank god those black kids were not killed, too. 

      • KA

        That is exactly what I heard. Besides, mentoring black kids and telling his mom “I HAVE to go, they have NO ONE else” if part of a hero complex….the same one that was “protecting” his neighbors. My son works in a homeless shelter for youth (13 – 21). If he sees a youth on the street, he wants to help them out and make sure everything is okay. That would be NOTHING like saying “I got no problem” like Zimmerman says he said. If you mentor and care about kids, especially “black kids”, you will want to engage and talk to help…not hunt down and suspect….the behavior is NOT consistent with someone who mentors for a living or have the compassion and understanding needed to help and support underprivileged kids….although Trayvon came from a family with a brother in college, a mom with a respectable middle income job, and a dad that spent a lot of time with him… Not exactly the same demographic…but how would Zimmerman know that?

        • doesntevenmatter

          Your son has a hero complex too.

          LOL-mentors for a living? You don’t get paid to mentor, you do it out of the goodness of your heart-well everyone but your son I guess.

          Trayvon came from a Mom who didn’t work and pawned him off on any and everyone she could.

          Zimmerman however DID come from a family with college educations-a multi-cultural family at that.

          • Griz2000

            “Trayvon came from a Mom who didn’t work”

            His mother has been a government employee for almost 30 years. I don’t know why you don’t think she works.

            “Zimmerman however DID come from a family with college educations”

            Trayvon’s mother has a few college degrees and his brother is in college right now. I think he just took an internship for a congresswoman recently. Not just that, but his brother was seemingly part of some youth group for students that excel academically.

            You seem to say a lot of things without doing any sort of actual research.

          • Griz2000

            “His mother has been a government employee for almost 30 years”

            Yep.

            “I don’t know why you don’t think she works.”
            She’s a government employee?
            She was gifted with several months of PTO from her cow-orkers?
            She is a GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE?

          • Griz2000

            “She is a GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE?”

            And? Believe it or not, government employees do just as much work as anyone in the private sector.

          • Griz2000

            “Believe it or not, government employees do just as much work as anyone in the private sector”

            Tell it to someone who hasn’t worked in both the private and public sector.

          • Griz2000

            “Tell it to someone who hasn’t worked in both the private and public sector.”

            Give that response to someone who hasn’t worked in both the private and public sector.

          • Griz2000

            Give that response to someone who doesn’t know you’re a unrepentant degenerate liar.

          • Griz2000

            Your hatred is so delicious.

          • Griz2000

            I have a confession to make.

            I’m enjoying the knowledge that you’re incoherently, frothing mad… a little.

            The guilty little pleasures are the best, don’t you think?

            Oh, and did I tell you the news?

            GEORGE ZIMMERMAN WAS FOUND NOT GUILTY!

          • Griz2000

            “frothing mad”

            Nope, not at all. Not mad at all over here. In fact, you’re the one that’s frothing mad here.

          • Griz2000

            So says the lying sock-puppet.

            Which “you” is the one that’s not at all mad? Do you have a notebook to keep track of all your “you”s?

            Oh, and did you hear the news?

            George Zimmerman was found NOT GUILTY!

            Was your husband outraged at the verdict, “MrsDavis”?

          • Griz2000

            “So says the lying sock-puppet.”

            Ok, prove that I’m using a sock puppet.

            “Which “you” is the one that’s not at all mad?”

            I’m not mad at all about the verdict in and of itself. I really didn’t like hearing that Juror b29 believed he was guilty of murder based on the evidence, but voted against her belief because she apparently didn’t read the jury instructions. That’s really something that she should have kept to herself.

            “Was your husband outraged at the verdict, “MrsDavis”?”

            I’m not “MrsDavis”. But hey, keep fishing.

          • Griz2000

            “Ok, prove that I’m using a sock puppet.”

            Still trying to assign homework, you tedious $h!thead?

            “There’s only one of me.”

            Says the proven, bald-faced liar.

            “I’m not mad…”

            Can you hear that?

            Yeah, that: That’s the sound of me not caring what a lazy, lying plagiarizing troll really didn’t like.

          • Griz2000

            “Says the proven, bald-faced liar.”

            You haven’t proven anything. Everytime I ask you to prove your allegations, you complain that I am assigning you homework.

            “That’s the sound of me not caring”

            Apparently you DO care. That’s why you keep trying to get me back for humiliating you so many times.

            Your anger is so delicious. I am looking forward to you becoming my slave yet again.

    • mandytoronto

      First he mentored black and white kids and wait for it…got paid for it. When the money stopped so did the mentoring. Saying he hates black people is uh racist. Calling a young man walking down the street doing nothing wrong “Im sick of these assholes always getting away” How is that not racist. He didnt know treyvon yet calls him a asshole. Having a co-worker at work make a formal complaint to HR because he is calling him a treeorist and making fun of his accent and constantly harrassing his race is racist. The people who support him no matter the evidence put in front of them they will never believe it. 
      Also if it is his ex then she would know best right. Also he was charged with domestic abuse on a ex. Oh yeah and charged with assaulting a cop and charged again for assaulting another woman. She is obviously right when she says he is violent and the charges are the proof. As for his version of events that night well we all know he is very good at lying as he had no problem doing it in a court of law.
      Also what kind of human being is he that he kills a un armed teenager then on jail calls that we all hear when he was talking to his wife about how much money was raised he says yeah im so excited and sats we are going to have a good life. He doesnt seem to care he killed a kid just that he has money in his bank. Lets not forget this man did not work before the shooting. 

      • Thetruth

        “He didnt know treyvon  yet calls him a asshole= gee why would he do that when he was just glaring at him while circling his car ?

        1.  charged with domestic abuse = FALSE
        2. charged for assaulting another woman =FALSE
        3.Lets not forget this man did not work before the shooting=FALSE
        4.”Im sick of these assholes always getting away”=FALSE
        5.She is obviously right when she says he is violent and the charges are the proof= FALSE
        “what kind of human being is he that he kills a un armed teenager”?

        Somebody that protects themselves from a person who kills for calling the cops.

        • KA

          Why would he be scared of him calling the police? He had no record, was there legally, had no outstanding warrants, etc? Why would someone who had no record, no illegal behavior, and no motive attack someone who as following him, was scared of and had NO WEAPON! If he “went back” as the defense says, you do not think he would have armed himself with a grill tool from a back porch, a stick, a rock…. SOMETHING! The assertion makes no sense to any reasonable person. I am betting that the DNA will show that he hit Zimmerman with a cell phone he was TALKING ON when confronted (and if you do not believe what DeeDee says, the cell phone records will show that). Of the two, the behavior of someone getting OFF the phone with dispatch, telling the dispatcher he would meet them at the mailbox and then changing direction to “let him know where he was at” and someone who directly labeled the person a “criminal” at first sighting, AND had a firearm will be the person that the jury believes confronted first. Trayvon “confronting” with NO WEAPON (not even one grabbed quickly) will not be the one considered to the one to start a willful fight by any definition. 

          • doesntevenmatter

            Why would he be scared for calling the cops? Well for one thing he was peeking in windows, and for another thing he had a burglary tool that was found when they checked the bushes he was hiding in.

            What was he hiding in the bushes for, was he making a nest?

          • gbpuzzler

            Totally wrong. In the original police call, Zimmerman never said that Trayvon was peeking in windows. After Zimmerman started following him, he certainly wasn’t peeking in windows because HE WAS RUNNING AWAY! The supposed burglary tool turned out to be a broken piece of something that had nothing to do with Trayvon Martin or the shooting incident. And it would have been nearly impossible for him to hide in the bushes near the T, since they were only about 18 inches tall. Another of Zimmerman’s fictions.

          • doesntevenmatter

            No, it’s not totally wrong. There was more than one call made that day, and Martin ran off BEFORE Zimmerman attempted to make visual contact with him.

            The lead investigator testifed that there were NO MAJOR INCONSISTENCIES with George Zimmermn’s testimony, not to mention that it matches credible witness testimony, and he passed two polygraph and voice stress analysis, and is backed up with forensic evidence.

            The exact words that were used were “a piece of awning commonly used as a burglary tool.”

            The bushes were NOT 18 inches tall, they were between 36-48, plenty of room for Martin to crouch behind them.

          • gbpuzzler

            Did you ever watch the “reenactment” video? The bushes near the T were nowhere near 36 inches tall. And Investigator Doris Singleton, in her testimony, voiced her suspicions that a tall kid like Trayvon Martin would have been able to hide behind them.

            The broken piece of awning was eventually dropped from the investigation because they had nothing to show that either Martin or Zimmerman had ever touched it during the incident.

            And Zimmerman made ONE call to the police about Martin. Other residents called after the altercation got noisy. None of them said anything about anyone peeking into windows.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            If you wrote an autobiography, it’d be titled, “Totally wrong.” “HE WAS RUNNING AWAY!” No! He was apoplectic, indignant, upset, spewing racist remarks! That’s not a guy that’s afraid and running away. It still doesn’t matter!

            You seem oblivious to the fact that zimmerman was on the phone with 911 and that the dispatcher was asking for information. zimmerman says and I believe him, that at the point when the dispatcher asked him if he was following martin and he answered to the affirmative, the dispatcher said that was unnecessary, he turned back to meet the police and that martin appeared. All, every bit of the evidence, including the fact that martin tells the prosecution’s witness that he’s ‘almost at the house’ fits that likelihood.

            Still, actually not a bit of this is germane to the facts at the point when martin is beating zimmerman a submissive, screaming zimmerman and not a bit of your idiotic, inconsistent, conjecture makes a bit of sense. Guess what? A jury of 6 who’d been propagandized against zimmerman and a slew of witnesses endeavored to change their testimony, to try to convict zimmerman of something, who had been turned completely against zimmerman could not! Couldn’t! Never could have, by fact or by law. Get over it!

            The reason you stupidly believe that anybody thinks zimmerman is a hero is that so many stood up and supported zimmerman against a racist, unconstitutional prosecution, more like a persecution in which the government, its racist party and its propaganda ministry was working overtime to convict him before an unnecessary, unconstitutional, anti-4th, 5th and 14th Amendment trial.

          • gbpuzzler

            “No! He was apoplectic, indignant, upset, spewing racist remarks! That’s not a guy that’s afraid and running away.”

            He used ONE racist word when telling Rachel Jeantel on the phone that a creepy guy was following him. That’s not apoplectic or spewing. And it certainly doesn’t predict that he would choose to fight rather than running away.

            “You seem oblivious to the fact that zimmerman was on the phone with 911 and that the dispatcher was asking for information. zimmerman says and I believe him, that at the point when the dispatcher asked him if he was following martin and he answered to the affirmative, the dispatcher said that was unnecessary, he turned back to meet the police and that martin appeared. All, every bit of the evidence, including the fact that martin tells the prosecution’s witness that he’s ‘almost at the house’ fits that likelihood.”

            Your choice of believing Zimmerman says less about Zimmerman’s credibility than it does about your choosing to be blind to the facts. When Zimmerman agreed to stop following, he could have walked back to his car in under 30 seconds. He continued to be on the phone with the dispatcher for nearly a minute and a half after that. During that time, he did not arrive back at his car. He also did not give indication to the dispatcher of seeing or hearing him again. Martin’s voice was not heard on the call, and it was clear that the altercation had not yet started. In fact, by the timing of Martin’s phone call with Rachel J (by phone company records), it is almost certain that the two did not meet up again until at least 2 minutes after Zimmerman said he would stop following. So while some of the details of what happened during this time are uncertain, it is VERY clear that Zimmerman didn’t simply walk back to his car and have Martin appear near him while he was on the way.

          • gbpuzzler

            “Still, actually not a bit of this is germane to the facts at the point when martin is beating zimmerman a submissive, screaming zimmerman …”

            Which means that what zimmy was doing was, in fact, germane, because Trayvon Martin never beat zimmy.

            “A jury of 6 who’d been propagandized against zimmerman…”

            Some of the jurors had been propagandized against Trayvon Martin because defense attorney Mark O’Mara had done his best to make sure that as much anti-Trayvon garbage as possible was “out there” in the media before the trial.

            “..and a slew of witnesses endeavored to change their testimony,…”

            Oh, pulease. With the exception of Jon Good, the witness who went outside to see part of the altercation, who modified his original police statement long before the trial, I can’t think of any witnesses at all who changed their testimony to make it more favorable to the prosecution. On the other hand, I can think of several who changed their testimony, either at trial compared to before or while under questioning by the defense, to make it more favorable to the defense or at least less clearly favorable to the prosecution.

            I challenge you to name a s,ingle witness whose testimony was changed at trial to something more favorable to the prosecution. I’ll make it easier on you: I realize that it’s been some time since the trial, and you may have trouble remembering the names, so I’ll accept an answer that identifies the witness in question by some description of the person and what they were testifying about. I doubt that you can. You’re not able to, probably because, contrary to what you have claimed, you didn’t watch the whole trial. Instead, you based your beliefs on what you saw online, and watched bits and pieces of it at the most. So you’re relying on your blogs for your information.

          • gbpuzzler

            “…the government, its racist party and its propaganda ministry was working overtime to convict him before an unnecessary, unconstitutional, anti-4th, 5th and 14th Amendment trial.”

            That’s a ridiculous claim. Zimmerman was treated very fairly by the legal system, including being represented by lawyers who defended him aggressively. A lot of low and moderate income people are not that fortunate. The charges were entirely appropriate for someone who kills another person.

            In fact, in some respects his treatment was irregular in that he was treated leniently. First, in that he wasn’t arrested or charged after Detective Serrino first recommended that he be charged with manslaughter. Second, in that he was granted bail a second time, albeit a much higher amount and under stricter conditions, after it became clear that he had been behind an attempt to mislead the judge at his first bail hearing.

          • gbpuzzler

            “The reason you stupidly believe that anybody thinks zimmerman is a hero is that so many stood up and supported zimmerman against a racist, unconstitutional prosecution…”

            Actually, the reason that I said that Zimmerman was your hero has more to do with the fact that you go into conniption fits anytime anyone on this board so much as hints that Zimmerman’s story about what happened wasn’t totally accurate, or that the shooting might not have been justified, or that his decision to get out of his truck and go searching for Trayvon Martin may have been even a wee bit ill-advised.

            However, although I was slow to realize it, it seems that something bigger and more sinister is at play. It appears that you and your ilk still go by a world view prevalent in the South in the 1950′s and before, which says that if a black person steps out of line, a white person is entirely justified in killing him or her. In your view, Martin deserved to be killed just because he was seen on a rainy evening in a mostly white townhome development where few people knew him, or maybe because he uttered a phrase that always causes you to foam at the mouth when you mentioned it. You always behave as though his saying that is, by itself, enough reason why he deserved to be killed.

            However, people like you realize that, nowadays, this view isn’t going to get you enough legal and public relations traction. The solution to that is to trot out Zimmerman’s head-banging story as a cover and a justification. But this only works if the story isn’t questioned, if the inconsistencies between the story and the evidence aren’t examined, if people don’t point out that Zimmerman had other options. So any attempt to do so is a horrible sacrilege in your book. In addition, it is seen as totally justified to twist available information or to make things up to make Martin look like a thug who “deserved to die”, and then to repeat it over and over. But the prosecution of Zimmerman was a horrible injustice because, in your view, he was entitled to kill a black person.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Wrong!

          • gbpuzzler

            Wrong about what? Most of what KA said makes a lot of sense.

        • Liquidmark

          it is much more likely that Trayvon felt the need to defend himself from some unidentified man that was pursuing him home at night.

          • Leon Seebruck

            I thought the girl who was on the phone with him said (he was on the porch of his dad girlfriend,,,,,,,,,,,why dident he just go in the house…or was that person not realy expecting him. and why was he looking in the windows. I do think it is sad he was killed……but why was he roaming the street’s in the rain late at night…

          • Sam

            I think you forget that there was a vulnerable 12 year old kid in the house. If there was a persistent, unidentified man, who had not made his intentions clear following you silently in the dark, would you lead him to were a 12 year old might be harmed, if the pursuer turns out to be an assailant or worse?

          • atoz350

            Funny, because that is exactly what he was. This makes Treyvon a hero.

          • Pookie

            Trayvon a hero? You must live in a real shitty area if a pot growing, pot smoking, stolen gun totting, street figting kicked out 2 days before Christmas by his mama is hero material for you

          • gbpuzzler

            Of those claims, the only one that’s been established is that Trayvon smoked pot. The others are lies made up to justify Zimmerman’s actions.

          • VEW2012

            7 P.M. is not late at night.

          • Pookie

            7pm is not late. 7pm after raining all day and still raining at night is late

          • VEW2012

            The last I checked 7 p.m. happens the same time everyday, regardless of the weather. Plus 7 p.m. is not too late for a 17 year old to come home from an after school job, from band practice, from a football game, and it is not too late for them to walk home from the store.

            Most city curfew laws place the time for those under 18 at 11 p.m. So no 7 p.m. is not late.

          • atoz350

            Where are you getting this “looking in the windows” information from?

          • Pookie

            George is driving home when he spots a guy in the middle of a neighbors yard looking through the window. I think its on his original call

          • VEW2012

            No he spotted him looking at the front of the condominium townhouse building. In an area where all the buildings look exactly alike Trayvon could have been looking for the building number to know exactly which direction to walk home.

          • gbpuzzler

            He wasn’t looking in the windows. Zimmerman didn’t say that in the police phone call, it was claimed later on. And it was only about 7 o’clock, not late at night. It is also not known exactly how far down the path he was at the time. But even if he was right in back of Brandy’s house, he could not have entered there, because it was a sliding glass door which would probably have been LOCKED!

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Irrelevant! Did you make that up all by yourself? That’s a whole lot of acrobatics and high wire stunts of speculation. You call ‘almost at the house’ speculation yourself but start speculating whether doors are open or locked, paying no mind that 3 other people were inhabiting that rental and you, exclusively, without any evidence, whatsoever, not even testimony, by your own personal speculaiton decide that what’s most likely, what’s consistent with the spontaneous declaration within seconds of the end of the assault and battery and the repelling of such, requiring deadly force, that it couldn’t be because your mental processes have devined it such! That construct of fantasy is the kind of crap that keeps you from getting with reality!

          • gbpuzzler

            The sliding glass door was probably locked, genius, because when people have a sliding glass door that faces an area that is easily accessible to hundreds of people, as the dog walk area was, they generally leave the door locked except when they have exited by that door and are planning to stay nearby.

            By the way, it’s been pretty well established that Brandy Green and Tracy Martin had gone out for the evening.

            Yes, it’s possible that Trayvon Martin had exited via the back, sliding glass, door and was planning to return the same way, since if he had not met up with zimmy, that would apparently have saved him a few steps. But that’s also speculating. Notice that I said that the door would PROBABLY have been locked, not that it definitely was, and I stand by that statement. That makes more sense that assuming that it would have been unlocked.

            And whether the door was actually locked or not, if Martin thought that zimmy was following him and figured that the door was likely to be locked, he might not have wanted to run the extra risk of dashing down there to check, increasing the risk of being seen, and putting himself in a situation from which he couldn’t easily escape. From the map, it looks like there were 4 or 5 residences in a row in that building, and Green’s home wasn’t one of the end units, so he would have had a ways to go to if he had gone to check on that door and it was locked.

          • doesntevenmatter

            Isn’t that funny that’s what people thought a year ago?

            Now we find out that he wasn’t scared at, he was annoyed by the “creepy ass cracker” and mad because he thought he was gay.

          • Griz2000

            That’s NOT what she said during the trial. She said that she was teasing TM by saying that GZ was probably a rapist. She also properly pointed out that TM wouldn’t decide to attack someone while still on the phone. There are several practical reasons for this.

            As she described what she heard, TM asked GZ why he was being followed and GZ tried to detain him.

            If Trayvon was so much of a gaybasher, then WHY didn’t Zimmerman make a single mention of being called by a homosexual slur while Trayvon was supposedly threatening to kill him with hollywood catch phrases?

          • Griz2000

            Welcome back, “Liquidmark”… or should I call you “MrsDavis”?
            While you were gone, the jury in the George Zimmerman trial came to a verdict!
            Guess what?
            George Zimmerman was found NOT GUILTY!
            I knew you’d want to hear the news from me, you impersonating my evil twin and all.
            Toodles, troll.

          • Griz2000

            Wow, you’re still so incredibly butthurt, I see.

            “or should I call you “MrsDavis”?”

            I don’t know why you’d call me MrsDavis.

            “George Zimmerman was found NOT GUILTY!”

            Yeah, because the damn jury didn’t understand the jury instructions.

            “Toodles, troll.”

            You’re the troll here, boyo.

          • Griz2000

            “Wow, you’re still so incredibly butthurt, I see.”

            Still relying on lame trolling shtick, I see. Projecting emotion onto a random stranger is simply pathetic.

            “I don’t know why you’d call me MrsDavis.”

            Because “MrsDavis” is your sock-puppet. We know you’re a sock-puppeting troll… The fact you’re using A PILFERED ALIAS and PLAGIARIZED AVATARS IS CLEAR ENOUGH PROOF.

            “Yeah, because BLAH BLAH BLAH”

            So, that’s how you’re rationalizing it?

            Rationalize this: YOU LOST. WE (TRUTH, JUSTICE, AND THE AMERICAN WAY) WIN.

            “You’re the troll here, boyo”

            Says the lying sock-puppet wearing a pilfered alias and plagiarized avatar.

            NEWS FLASH: GEORGE ZIMMERMAN IS STILL NOT GUILTY!

          • Griz2000

            “Because “MrsDavis” is your sock-puppet.”

            Nope. for the 100th time, this is my only account. I don’t even post on Disqus anymore. These days, I post on Twitter. And over there, I only have one account too.

            “that’s how you’re rationalizing it?”

            Nope, that’s how it is. The murdering @$$hole got away.

            But hey, you’re the one showing your obvious butthurt here. That’s why you’re assuming that I’m other users and that I have sock-puppet accounts when I don’t. The fact is that I stopped using Disqus to make comments right around the start of the trial and I wouldn’t be here commenting to you if YOU never sent me a comment because you’re so desperate.

          • Griz2000

            “I don’t even post on Disqus anymore.”

            Oh, yeah, thanks for reminding me.

            After you claimed that that the only reason you were posting on DISQUS was that *I* kept “tapping you on the shoulder”… I quit replying to your posts.

            I quit noting your continued DISQUS posts after number 25.

            Did I tap you on the shoulder, prompting your return now? Or is it mere coincidence that after burning your MrsDavis sock puppet, you’re suddenly back on DISQUS? Too lazy to cook up another sock-puppet?

            “The murdering @$$hole got away.”

            Over three quarters of the “murdering @$$holes” in Chicago get away. About 30 years worth of George Zimmermans IN A SINGLE WEEKEND, IN A SINGLE CITY.

            This isn’t about murder, this is about race.

            And your race-baiting ilk LOST.

            Choke on that, you vile little liar.

          • Griz2000

            “Did I tap you on the shoulder, prompting your return now?”

            Someone else made a comment to me and they tapped on my shoulder.

            “Over three quarters of the “murdering @$$holes in Chicago get away. ”

            1) I don’t live in Chicago.
            2) The police don’t let them get away when they know who the killer is. There aren’t thousands of losers, like you, trying to protect them online.

            “This isn’t about murder, this is about race.”

            No, YOU want it to be about race. It is about unequal protection of the law. There are WORSE shootings where a white guy kills an unarmed black teen, but they don’t see this ;level of outrage because the killers are arrested and charged with a crime. This case became a big deal because the police seemd to have swept it under the rug. Compare it to, say, the Jordan Davis shooting where a white man unloaded his gun into a whole car full of unarmed teems. Where’s the nationwide outrage?

            Oh, that’s right, Michael Dunn, The white man, was arrested and charged with crime.

            Then, look at the Bo Morrison shooting where a White man shoots an unarmed black man that was on his porch. He wasn’t arrested or charged with a crime. Where’s the nationwide outrage? Oh, that’s right, there was none because everyone understands that the shooting took place on the shooter’s property.

            Then there is that 72 year old man that shot and killed an unarmed 13 year old that wasn’t doing anything at all to him. Where’s the national outrage? Oh, that’s right! He was arrested and charged with a crime.

            Stay mad. It makes me glad.

          • Griz2000

            “Someone else”

            So, when you flatly stated that the only reason you were still posting on DISQUS was *ME* and my “tapping you on the shoulder”, you were lying?

            Of course you were. After all, when I quit “tapping”, you kept posting.

            Now that we’ve established, yet again, you’re a bald-faced unrepentant liar…

            “I don’t live in Chicago.”

            You don’t live in Sanford, either, do you? I forget where you’ve said you lived, and it’s kind of a moot point anyway… You’re a liar. Liars lie. YOU lie.

            “The police don’t let them get away when they know who the killer is.”

            Nope. And the “killer” shouldn’t be charged with a crime when there is no evidence that they’ve actually committed one, either.

            You expressed outrage that a murderer got away with his crime. What’s the difference between George Zimmerman and THOUSANDS OF OTHER MURDERERS that will get away with their murders? His name sounds “white”? The victim is black but the killer isn’t? Or are you just a slavish Lib’t@rd, blindly following the party line as it’s been spoon-fed to you?

            “Stay mad.”

            Cling to your delusion that you have the power to irritate me. You NEVER have, and now that GZ has been found NOT GUILTY, you’re nothing but a source of GLEE to me.

            BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

            GEORGE.

            ZIMMERMAN.

            IS.

            NOT.

            GUILTY.

            Actually, I hope you really do think that GZ did intentionally stalk and murder Trayvon Martin. Just a little more sauce for the goose, so to speak.

            BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!

          • Griz2000

            “So, when you flatly stated that the only reason you were still posting on DISQUS was *ME* and my “tapping you on the shoulder”, you were lying?”

            No, I was telling YOU why I was responding to YOU. I was NOT on Disqus specifically to comment to YOU. If someone posts a response or comment to me, I will respond. I spend 0% of my day thinking about you.

            “the “killer” shouldn’t be charged with a crime when there is no evidence that they’ve actually committed one, either.”

            There was plenty of evidence of fowl play in this case.

            “What’s the difference between George Zimmerman and THOUSANDS OF OTHER MURDERERS that will get away with their murders?”

            He told the police he killed the victim and they were like ‘Okey-Dokey’ and swept it under the rug without even trying to investigate.

            “You don’t live in Sanford, either, do you?”

            I used to live just south of Sanford, in Oveido.

            “I hope you really do think that GZ did intentionally stalk and murder Trayvon Martin.”

            I already told you. I believe that his intent was to detain martin, which instigated the altercation. I never said that he left his truck with the intent to kill Trayvon. I believe he was emboldened by the fact that he had a gun and a year and a half of MMA classes under his belt.

            As for the verdict, I find it incredibly funny that you think I care.

          • Griz2000

            “No, I was telling YOU why I was responding to YOU.”

            No, you told me the ONLY reason you were still posting on DISQUS was that I kept “tapping you on the shoulder.” You’re too stupid to notice that I quit replying to your posts then and there… Knowing you were talking out your azz. And you proved me right.

            LIAR.

            “There was plenty of evidence of fowl play in this case.”

            I wasn’t aware poultry was involved, moron.

            “He told the police he killed the victim and they were like ‘Okey-Dokey’ and swept it under the rug without even trying to investigate.”

            Yeah, 5 hours of interrogation without a lawyer, including LYING TO HIM is just an “Okey-Dokey”.

            You’re not just a liar, you’re a moron.

            “I already told you.”

            Who cares what you’ve “told” anyone? You’re nothing but a liar and a sock-puppeting plagiarizing troll.

            “I never said…”

            What?

            “I never said…”

            What?

            “I never said…”

            What?

            Sorry, I can’t hear you over the sound of NOT GUILTY NOT GUILTY NOT GUILTY NOT GUILTY NOT GUILTY NOT GUILTY NOT GUILTY NOT GUILTY NOT GUILTY NOT GUILTY NOT GUILTY NOT GUILTY NOT GUILTY NOT GUILTY NOT GUILTY NOT GUILTY

            BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

            “I believe that…”

            I find it incredibly funny that you think I care what you say you believe.

            Liar. Lazy, stupid, sock-puppeting plagiarist troll.

          • Griz2000

            “No, you told me the ONLY reason you were still posting on DISQUS was that I kept “tapping you on the shoulder.”

            Yeah, because YOU were the only person tapping on my shoulder.

            “Yeah, 5 hours of interrogation without a lawyer, including LYING TO HIM is just an “Okey-Dokey”.”

            It is when he can’t keep his story straight, gives the police 5 different conflicting accounts of what happened and they just say ‘okey dokey’ and let it slide.

            “You’re nothing but a liar and a sock-puppeting plagiarizing troll.”

            I have not told a lie, you just don’t want to believe the truth. That’s what makes you so comical. I’m telling you the absolute truth and you’re flying off the handle with wild allegations.

            “You’re too stupid to notice that I quit replying to your posts then and there… ”

            You’re too stupid to see that I stopped making responses to YOUR posts then and there and YOU are the one that started making responses to me again today when I didn’t say a damn thing to you.

          • Griz2000

            “Yeah, because YOU were the only person tapping on my shoulder.”

            Except for all the other folks you were replying to, before and after I starting ignoring you.

            “It is when he can’t keep his story straight, gives the police 5 different conflicting accounts of what happened”

            Yawn. You Trayvonista morons have NEVER, DESPITE ENDLESS DEMANDS FROM MYSELF AND OTHERS OVER MORE THAN A YEAR, CITED THE ALLEGED “CONFLICTS” IN HIS TESTIMONY THAT WOULD SERVE TO PROVE HE WAS NOT ACTING IN SELF-DEFENSE.

            That ship has SAILED. NOT GUILTY, B!TCH.

            “I have not told a lie”

            Yet another lie. Really, you’re just going to sit there are LIE AT ME SOME MORE? Are you really going to play the “aggrieved innocent” shtick while you’re wearing that plagiarized avatar and MY name?

            Who do you think you’re fooling? ME? Nobody else around here is going to care… and any that take you seriously will find out what a lying sack of troll $h!t you are soon enough.

            Thanks for hopping back on your Liquidmark sock-puppet, and giving me the opportunity to rub the verdict in your face.

            –The Real Griz2000

            P.S. George Zimmerman was found NOT GUILTY!

          • Griz2000

            “THE ALLEGED “CONFLICTS” IN HIS TESTIMONY THAT WOULD SERVE TO PROVE HE WAS NOT ACTING IN SELF-DEFENSE.”

            How about the fact that he told the police that he had to be careful to not shoot his own hand? There is a very good reason as to why he didn’t take the stand to testify for himself.

            There were several conflicts in his statements to the police. On top of that, looking at his history, he has an established pattern of switching roles when he lies to cover his own rear.

            BTW, is your capslock button broken or are you just incredibly butthurt? I’m guessing the latter.

            “you’re just going to sit there are LIE AT ME SOME MORE?”

            Prove that I have told a single lie. NB4 ‘homework’

            “you’re wearing that plagiarized avatar and MY name”

            Stay mad.

          • Griz2000

            “There were several conflicts in his statements to the police”

            And, as always, NONE you cite.

            I guess I’ll just take your word for it… The Word of Honor, of a lazy, lying, plagiarist sock-puppet troll.

            “Prove that I have told a single lie.”

            Why? I know. You know. You know I know.

            Moron, the trial is over. The facts of the murder case against Zimmerman are moot, YOU ARE MOOT.

            BTW, why would I be butthurt?

            MY SIDE WON.

          • Griz2000

            “NONE you cite.”

            I cited plenty but you just ignored them so I’m not going to waste my energy.

            “You know.”

            I know that i haven’t told a single lie.

            “the trial is over.”

            One battle does not end a war.

            “The facts of the murder case against Zimmerman are moot,”

            I see, so you don’t care about the facts. Noted.

            “why would I be butthurt?”

            Why are you ACTING butthurt?

          • Griz2000

            “I cited plenty”

            How is his concern or lack of concern for shooting his own hand relevant to whether or not he was acting in self defense?

            What part of “THAT WOULD SERVE TO PROVE HE WAS NOT ACTING IN SELF-DEFENSE” didn’t you comprehend?

            HE WAS INTERROGATED FOR OVER FIVE HOURS. ON VIDEOTAPE.

            THE VIDEO WAS USED IN COURT.

            Lets not even mention the fact that a defendant has an basic and absolute right to refrain from testifying against himself.

            “I see, so you don’t care about the facts. Noted.”

            Nope. But my interest in arguing with a proven liar, a plagiarizing a$$hole who has pilfered my name and plagiarized my alias is rather limited.

            Haven’t you figured it out yet? I’m just jeering at you, you egotistical little piece of $hit. I’m just here to rub all you vile little Trayvonista’s noses in the stinky puddle of your FAILURE.

            “Why are you ACTING butthurt?”

            Why are you projecting your angst on me? Why have you been doing that for MONTHS, along with claiming victories you’ve neither earned nor are in a position to judge?

            MY SIDE WON.

            DEAL WITH IT.

            BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

          • Griz2000

            “How is his concern or lack of concern for shooting his own hand relevant to whether or not he was acting in self defense?”

            In some versions of his story, he’s not doing anything with his left hand. Him saying that he has to be careful to not shoot his left hand lends itself to the concept that he was pulling Trayvon at the time he shot and killed him.

            “Nope.”

            Like I said, you have no interest in the facts.

            “Haven’t you figured it out yet?”

            I figured out that you’re butthurt.

            “Why are you projecting your angst on me? ”

            I’m not the one tapping on people’s shoulders after a solid month of them not saying a thing to me. You are.

            Your every action proves that I’ve destroyed you numerous times.

            Take a look, you’re the one following me, I’m not following you.

            “Lets not even mention the fact that a defendant has an basic and absolute right to refrain from testifying against himself.”

            firstly ‘an basic’ lmao ok

            secondly, if he is so spitshine clean, then how would he be testifying against himself by taking the stand? That is, unless you KNOW that he was lying.

          • Griz2000

            “In some versions of his story”

            Wow, you mean it’s almost as if he’s been up all night after a horrific incident where he was attacked, beaten, and killed someone??!?!

            As I’ve pointed out DOZENS of times, it would be suspicious IF HIS STORY WAS UTTERLY CONSISTANT.

            “Take a look, you’re the one following me”

            Yep. You’re the one fleeing. You’re the one that would love for me to just ignore you.

            Moron, you’re the puppet twitching when I pull your strings. You’re free to ignore my “taps on the shoulder”… Yet you can’t. But *I* am the butthurt one, who’s been “destroyed” numerous times?

            Riiiight.

            You’re a joke. Pathetic.

            I’ve toyed with you enough for one evening. You’re dismissed… go cry bitter tears onto your teddy bear, you useless oxygen thief.

          • Griz2000

            “it would be suspicious IF HIS STORY WAS UTTERLY CONSISTANT.”

            That’s incredibly stupid of you to believe that.

            “You’re the one fleeing.”

            I’m not fleeing.

            “You’re free to ignore my “taps on the shoulder”…”

            Why should I? I get great enjoyment out of your constant writhing in eternal fluster.

            “*I* am the butthurt one, who’s been “destroyed” numerous times”

            Yup, you sure are.

            “you’re the puppet twitching when I pull your strings.”

            Incorrect. You’re the dancing monkey that shakes your moneymaker for the crowd when I crank a tune.

            Now, look at you running away

          • Griz2000

            “That’s incredibly stupid of you to believe that.”

            You obviously haven’t the foggiest clue of human behavior after traumatic events and under stressful interrogation.

            Not that your lack of expertise on any subject should come as a surprise to anyone.

            “Now, look at you running away”

            Gee, the “have you stopped beating your wife” shtick. I graciously dismiss you so you can have a good cry… and your response is to claim I’m running away. We can add “ingrate” to your extensive list of character flaws.

            So it’s a) I don’t reply and you can console yourself I actually am running away or b) I reply and you can reassure yourself that it’s you pulling the puppet strings, not I.

            Too bad the answer is c) You’re a lying piece of $h!t troll, with the intellectual integrity of the ghetto-rat thugs you idolize and empathize with.

            Who do you think you’re fooling? It’s just you and me… and I know. You know I know.

            And I know you know I know.

            And I’m laughing my azz off.

          • Griz2000

            “You obviously haven’t the foggiest clue of human behavior after traumatic events and under stressful interrogation.”

            As someone who had been a victim of a crime, I can tell you that MY story never changed.

            “Who do you think you’re fooling?”

            That’s a question that you should be asking yourself. Who do YOU think you’re fooling?

            I knew that when I made my response to the other guy yesterday, you’d come crawling back to me because you’ve been incredibly butthurt over my completely twisting you out of shape for months. I knew that you were following me and that you’d see my comment in your dashboard.

            You can save your declarations about laughing, Paliache. I know that deep down, you’re crying like a little girl and THAT is why you keep projecting your silly imagery onto me.

            I set the bait and HERE you are. Taking it because you’re hoping to make me as miserable and sad as you are. But the truth is, you aren’t even worth pitying.

            I can see through your incredibly weak insults that you’re still quite butthurt and your butthurt does nothing but fester and grow.

            I can feel your hatred. I can smell it. It smells delicious.

          • Griz2000

            “As someone who had been a victim of a crime, I can tell you that MY story never changed.”

            Were you arrested and interrogated as the focus of a criminal investigation for FIVE HOURS, without a lawyer?

            Again, you are projecting the fact you’re a lying amoral thug onto George Zimmerman. The fact you know he’s not a lying amoral thug like you just ADDS TO YOUR DISTRESS AND COGNITIVE DISSONANCE.

            Oh, and how long will it be before you barf “cognitive dissonance” back at me, you lazy plagiarist troll?

            “I knew that when I…”

            Ahh… I cleverly trap you in your lie about it being ONLY ME that was keeping you on DISQUS… and now your latest embarrassing debacle is a clever scheme to draw me back into your clutches.

            Moron, if that’s true… Why didn’t you just reply to any of my posts? It’s not like you can forget my alias, YOU ARE USING IT.

            “twisting you out of shape for months”

            BWHAHAHAHA. Says the moron wearing what he thinks is my face and using my name. Says the moron that again and again alters his avatar, only to be thwarted… Because all I care about an avatar is that anyone can clearly tell you’re FAKE.

            “You can save your declarations about laughing”

            True. You know I’m laughing. And I know you know. And, even you know I know you know. Belaboring the obvious can be amusing, though.

            “you’re crying like a little girl”

            I dismiss you for a good cry, and now you’re plagiarizing it. Man, you are INCREDIBLY LAZY. And stupid.

          • Griz2000

            “Were you arrested and interrogated as the focus of a criminal investigation for FIVE HOURS, without a lawyer?”

            One time I was a witness to a murder and I had to answer police questions for several hours, tell my story to the assistant DA for a couple hours with the homicide detectives present and I had to tell my story again to the grand jury. All within the span of about 24 hours with no lawyer.

            “The fact you know he’s not a lying amoral thug”

            What about the man tells you that he’s not an amoral thug? This man was verbally upset during the trial because his defense team didn’t use the reefer madness argument during the trial to further throw the copse of the teen that he killed under the bus. That tells me all I need to know about his morality.

            “I cleverly trap you in your lie about it being ONLY ME that was keeping you on DISQUS… ”

            I never said that it was only you. I told you that I keep coming back because YOU kept tapping me on my shoulder. Never said that YOU were the only person that could tap me on my shoulder, prompting me to make a response.

            You can go be butthurt now.

          • Griz2000

            “I never said that it was only you.”

            Yes you did, liar.

            Why do you bother lying? Or are you so deluded you think that reality re-orders itself around your beliefs?

            Sorry, you loathsome buffoon… I have no intention of playing along.

          • Griz2000

            No I didn’t say that I will only post on Disqus if YOU make a response to me.

            Stay mad.

          • Griz2000

            Nice try moving the goalposts.

            You said that the ONLY reason you were still on DISQUS was because I kept “tapping you on the shoulder.”

            I won’t even get into the fact that that makes utterly no sense when contrasted with your claims that you’re running this “show”… Leaders don’t wait for taps on the shoulder, ret@rd. They’re out LEADING.

            Now, deny it a few more times so you’ll have absolutely no wiggle room when I post the exact copied/pasted text where you wrote precisely what I’ve been stating you wrote.

            Oh, were you counting on the fact you went back and edited your post? Oh, silly you. I’m wise to your tricks… LIAR.

          • Griz2000

            “You said that the ONLY reason you were still on DISQUS was because I kept “tapping you on the shoulder.”"

            That’s not what I said. I said:

            **You keep tapping me on the shoulder and filling my inbox with your anger-filled rubbish. I don’t hover around disqus while waiting for you to make a response.**

            I did not say that the ONLY reason why I post on Disqus is because you keep tapping on my shoulder. I listed ONE reason why I was posting on Disqus.

            “you’ll have absolutely no wiggle room when I post the exact copied/pasted text where you wrote precisely what I’ve been stating you wrote.”

            Post it. I’m looking at exactly what I told you right on my screen, so post what I said.

          • Griz2000

            So, just to be absolutely irrevocably clear:

            You’re stating that, beyond a shadow of a doubt, you never wrote to me that the ONLY reason you were still posting on DISQUS is because I continued to “tap you on the shoulder”?

            Better be sure, “Paliachi!”

          • Griz2000

            I told you that your tapping me on the shoulder is what caused me to come back to post on Disqus. I never stated that I wouldn’t return if someone else tapped me on the shoulder. At the time YOU were the only person continually tapping me on the shoulder to post your useless drivel. Unless someone makes a comment to me, I have no reason to post on Disqus because it is an inferior comment system.

          • Griz2000

            Ah, so I was the ONLY one “tapping you on the shoulder”… Except for all the others.

            Lying sack of $h!t, you can take your Clintonian Nuance and cram it up your a$$, sideways.

            Your black husband can help, “MrsDavis”.

            “If you bother looking”

            Why? So you can lie some more?

            Cling to your forlorn delusions, you pathetic lying plagiarist troll.

            But, hey, despite how badly you’ve humiliated yourself, you can always hope the jury will convict George Zimmerman of Murder 2 in mid-July, right?

            Ooops. NOT GUILTY?

            Aww. Sucks to be you.

          • Griz2000

            Yesss! Yes! That’s it! Choke on your anger.

            Look at you, falling back on things that I care not about because you can’t win the debate at hand. For the 10th time, I don’t care. The levels of ‘meh’ that I feel about the verdict are off the charts. I wish I had a fuck to give, but I don’t. Not a single fuck is left in my cupboard, sorry. ;D

            Oh yes, also…

            “Except for all the others.”

            WHAT others? You were the only douchebag that was tapping me on my shoulder at the time. Care to go take a look? I’m betting that you won’t.

            “”MrsDavis”"

            There you go again. I’ve told you several times that I am not “MrsDavis”. But hey, let’s see you prove that I’m lying. I know that you can’t because I’ve done nothing but tell you the absolute truth. That’s why you’re choking on your anger with every button press that I make. I’ll bet that you have hundreds of wild-eyed conspiracy theories with me in them. I know I keep you awake at night as you knash your teeth and cry into a pillow. That’s why you’re here. I clearly made you cry yourself to sleep every night and your only glimmer of hope is to somehow get back at me.

            Well, too bad. There’s not a thing you can say or do that would hurt my feelings or cause me concern. So, you can sit there and twist in the wind.

            “Lying”

            I don’t have to lie. Telling the truth is so much better because it makes you throw the biggest tissy fits. You are simply unable to accept the truth or at the very least drop the subject and move on with your life. You’d gain a lot of power if you just let things roll off your back, but instead, you dwell on your own false preconceptions. And that is why you are such a good slave.

            With but a wiggle of my pinky finger, you go off the deep end and bring me tons of entertainment.

            So yeah, dance monkey, dance.

          • Griz2000

            “Yesss! Yes! That’s it! Choke on your anger.”

            Projecting your butthurt on a stranger doesn’t mitigate your own distress. It just makes you look pathetic.

            “Look at you”

            Yeah, look at ANYTHING besides the lazy, lying, plagiarist sock-puppeting troll. Sorry, not playing along with your lame attempts at deflection.

            Like the “race card”, that shtick is worn out.

            “Care to go take a look?”

            Why? Shall we debate the meaning of “only” in the same fashion Clinton attempted to redefine “is”? Again, not interesting in indulging your penchant for deflection.

            “I’ve told you several times that I am not “MrsDavis”.

            Did you swear on your honor as a stupid, lazy, lying plagiarist sock-puppeting troll, too? Now, hands in front of you, so I can see you’re not crossing fingers!

            “I’ll bet”

            Considering how many “tells” you have, I’d avoid betting on poker. (Cue deflective anecdote about your amazing poker expertise)

            “But hey, let’s see you prove that I’m lying.”

            I’ve proven it before the only jury that matters: Me.

            I know you’re a liar.

            You know I know.

            And, yes, you know that I know you know.

            “That’s why you’re here.”

            Nope, I’m here because after disappearing for WEEKS after the Zimmerman verdict, you foolishly decided to reply to a “shoulder tap” to a YEAR OLD POST.

            Were you drunk? Or did you think I’d just let you go back to business as usual, you lying sack of $h!t?

            “I don’t have to lie.”

            Yet you do. Then you lie about lying. And then, after you’ve painted yourself into a corner, you’ll spew deflections and Clintonian “nuance” and revisionist history in the hopes that the person that caught you dead to rights will get frustrated and bored.

            No wonder you place such a value on annoying your betters… It’s your twisted definition of victory.

            Obviously you’ve never tasted real victory, otherwise you’d never settle for, or even brashly CLAIM the empty “victories” you’re endlessly trumpeting.

            “such a good slave”

            News flash: The slave is the one being TAPPED ON THE SHOULDER, not the one that taps.

            I AM THE ONE WHO TAPS ON SHOULDERS!

            BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

            “…bring me tons of entertainment.”

            Yeah, you have so much fun that you flee the scene for almost a month post-Zimmerman verdict… and have to rationalize a lame tale of entrapping me into giving you a “tap on the shoulder”… AGAIN, MORON: If you wanted another go-around with me, you could simply have replied to any of the DOZENS AND DOZENS of posts I made while you were off doing whatever it is lazy, stupid, plagiarizing sock-puppeting trolls when cowering in abject fear.

            “So yeah, dance monkey, dance.”

            Keep refreshing that Dashboard… You never know when someone might tap you for your next command performance.

            Sad, sad, sad little troll.

            Sucks to be you.

            s/ The Real Griz2000

            P.S. George Zimmerman was found NOT GUILTY!

          • Griz2000

            Bladiblahblahblah tl;dr

            get a life bro.

          • Griz2000

            Aww, too long for your ADD-addled brain to follow?

            Fine. I’ll recap.

            You’re a lazy, stupid, lying, plagiarizing sock-puppeting troll.

            You and your thug-loving race-baiting ilk LOST.

            George Zimmerman, Team Z, Truth, Justice, and the American Way WON.

            You project your character flaws onto anonymous strangers, steal their identities and their ideas, and reveal YOUR OWN DEGENERACY, HYPOCRISY, AND IDIOCY in the process.

            You claim to be “winning”, but the victories you claim are illusory… and pathetic even if they existed.

            You assert that you are the master, and I the slave… leaving aside the repugnant imagery, if you’re the MASTER, WHY ARE YOU THE ONE WAITING FOR TAPS ON THE SHOULDER?

            You’re a coward, a weasel-wording piece of $h!t… In short, you personify the word TRAYVONISTA.

            Any questions, troll?

          • Griz2000

            *yawn*

            Stay mad, bro.

          • Griz2000

            More?

            OK.

            Not only did you and your ilk lose in your attempt to wrongfully convict Zimmerman of Murder 2 but you’ve plenty of other failures to mourn.

            You failed to exploit the Newtown shootings to pass any gun control measures at a national level… Even the state laws were limited to areas where no self-respecting gun owner would live… and hilarious fuster-clucks ensued, with such embarrassments as police officers technically breaking the law with their own service weapons in NY.

            Your initial campaign to portray Trayvon Martin as an innocent little honors student astronaut-wannabe aeronautical engineer in training waif HAS FAILED.

            Outside the Trayvonista echo chamber, folks have learned that deceptive imagery, edited audio, and a campaign of carefully crafted distortions and LIES were used in order to rouse the rabble and apply political pressure towards an unethical decision to charge Zimmerman with Murder 2.

            Other failures? Your ilk’s attempts to pivot this trial into a indictment of SYG laws has also FAILED. You did hear about the bi-partisan commission that reviewed the law and that recommended NO CHANGES, right?

            Oh, and the inconvenient truth that blacks are disproportionately benefiting from the SYG law isn’t going unnoticed, either.

            Gird your loins, Lib’T@rd. It’s humiliations galore for you and your ilk.

            Obamugabe-Care is next.

          • Griz2000

            Look at you, trying so hard to entertain your master.

          • Griz2000

            News flash: The slave is the one being TAPPED ON THE SHOULDER, not the one that taps.

            I AM THE ONE WHO TAPS ON SHOULDERS!

            BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

            “…bring me tons of entertainment.”

            Yeah, you have so much fun that you flee the scene for almost a month post-Zimmerman verdict… and have to rationalize a lame tale of entrapping me into giving you a “tap on the shoulder”…

            AGAIN, MORON: If you wanted another go-around with me, you could simply have replied to any of the DOZENS AND DOZENS of posts I made while you were off doing whatever it is lazy, stupid, plagiarizing sock-puppeting trolls when cowering in abject fear.

            It’s not like you can FORGET MY NAME!

            “So yeah, dance monkey, dance.”

            Keep refreshing that Dashboard… You never know when someone might tap you for your next command performance.

          • Griz2000

            Can’t you see? I am the one that summoned you. I say ten words and you respond with paragraphs of your bitter tears.

            “cowering in abject fear.”

            More like nodding off from boredom.

            “It’s not like you can FORGET MY NAME!”

            You’re the one that can’t forget MY name, dude. I spend 0% of my day thinking about you.

            “you have so much fun that you flee the scene for almost a month post-Zimmerman verdict… ”

            I didn’t flee the scene, I went to greener pastures. Also, for almost a month post zimmerman verdict? Dude, the verdict was 18 days ago. I wasn’t even commenting on Disqus throughout most of the trial. I was on Twitter the entire time.

            “have to rationalize a lame tale of entrapping me into giving you a “tap on the shoulder”"

            Let’s see, I made a comment and changed my avatar to match yours. Then you started trying to attack me within hours. You’re practically hovering over Disqus waiting for me because you’re so incredibly butthurt.

            “Keep refreshing that Dashboard…”

            I’m not refreshing dashboard, retard. When you make a comment to me, I get an email on my iPad. I simply click ‘respond to comment’ make my response in safari, then hit the home button a couple times to go back to what I was doing. YOU keep refreshing your dashboard.

          • Griz2000

            “I am the one that summoned you.”

            Yah. Summoning by being tapped on the shoulder.

            Makes perfect sense. If you’re a raving lunatic.

            Which, apparently you are.

            “I say ten words”

            Long posts don’t work for you. Short ones don’t either.

            Sucks to be you, don’t it?

            “You’re the one that can’t forget MY name, dude.”

            I think you’re confused. I’m the REAL Griz2000. You’re a worthless plaigarist troll.

            Your name? Mud.

            “Dude, the verdict was 18 days ago.”

            That’s right, lets argue over “almost 3 weeks” vs. “almost a month”… You’re such a deflective defective.

            “I didn’t flee the scene, I went to greener pastures.”

            Riiiiight.

            “Let’s see, I made a comment and changed my avatar to match yours.”

            Hmm… How does that fit the story that you were replying to someone else’s “tap on your shoulder”… How was *I* involved at that point, that you’d pilfer *MY* avatar again? Oh, wait, it was all part of your amazing plan to prompt me into “tapping you on your shoulder”… Because, after all, I had fled the scene after Zimmerman was found GUILTY!

            Oh, wait, that never happened. I’ve been here all along. Like you’d expect from someone who ISN’T A SOCK-PUPPETING TROLL.

            “within hours.”

            And when I “tap you on the shoulder”, you reply within minutes. Tell me again who is the Master, and who is the slave?

            “…on my iPad … make my response in safari”

            BWHAHAHAHA. You’re hunting and pecking on a OSK?!!? Really?

            I suspect you are actually telling the truth about that… Not only are you a Derp, you’re an iDerp.

            Priceless.

          • Griz2000

            Stay mad bro.

          • Griz2000

            Sorry, that fine print on that plagiarized avatar’s too small to read… Says.. Um…

            “THE ONE THAT DERPS”?!?!

            Yeah, that’s it.

            Derp on, moron.

          • The REAL Griz2000

            Buy a better monitor.

            Oh, and stay mad.

            Also LOL. Dude, you’re one to talk about plagiarizing things. You don’t own the copyright to Breaking Bad.

          • Griz2000

            Nope, definitely says “DERPS”.

            Must be a Freudian slip on your part.

            BTW, is this how you “win” arguments IRL? Act like an incoherent a$$hole until whomever you’re speaking to mutters “whatever” and walks away? Then you throw up a fistpump and crow, “YES!” as you claim your worthless “victory”?

            No wonder you couldn’t stay away, despite the endless humiliations you’ve suffered. IRL, people just walk away.

            Now, so am I. Goodbye, a$$hole.

          • The REAL Griz2000

            Says traps. Get your eyes checked.

            “whomever you’re speaking to mutters “whatever” and walks away?”

            Actually, I’m the one that said ‘whatever’ to you and walked away. You’re the one that’s trying to speak to me, not the other way around.

            “Now, so am I.”

            Whatever.

          • Griz2000 is forever butthurt

            Well-well-well

            Look who changed his name after so much bleating over my changing mine while also declaring that he’s just going to ‘walk away’.

            Thanks for giving me one more solid laugh. Now, I’ll let you go back to crying into your pillow.

          • gbpuzzler

            “Outside the Trayvonista echo chamber, folks have learned that deceptive imagery, edited audio, and a campaign of carefully crafted distortions and LIES were used in order to rouse the rabble and apply political pressure towards an unethical decision to charge Zimmerman with Murder 2.”

            Quite the contrary. Outside the zimbot echo chamber, folds have learned that deceptive imagery, edited audio, and a campaign of carefully crafted distortions and LIES were used in order to try to convince prospective jurors, pre-trial, that Trayvon Martin was a “thug” who would have been likely to attack poor widdle innocent zimmy without provocation.

          • Griz2000

            “I’m just jeering at you,”

            Well, that’s generally what people do when they are butthurt about something and they are trying to get back at their source of butthurtitude.

          • Griz2000

            Nope, it’s generally what people do when THEIR TEAM WINS.

            We win. You lose.

            Meanwhile, support for SYG and concealed carry in Florida hasn’t slipped. You miss the bi-partisan review of SYG, that ended up recommending NO CHANGES to the law? Oh, and people are wising up to the fact that this case HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH SYG.

            While you’ve been operating in your little Tray’tard bubble, the rest of the country has learned that poor widdle aspiring astronaut and honor student was in fact a street fighting juvenile delinquent pothead thug, a trafficker in pot and at least a wanna-be gun runner… We shan’t even mention the child porn and other embarrassments recovered from his phone.

            You unreformed Trayvonistas are noisy, but you’re a tiny minority… Powerless, and now that you’re no longer useful idiots to exploit for financial or political gain, utterly irrelevant.

            Sucks to be you.

          • Griz2000

            “Meanwhile, support for SYG and concealed carry in Florida hasn’t slipped.”

            Is that so? I think you need to look again.

            Also, by your logic, Zimmerman is a woman beating, cop assaulting, child molesting, bully with delusions of grander and a childish hero complex that leeches off of other people’s work, purposefully skirts the law and has never produced anything of value in the 29 years he had spent on this earth.

          • Griz2000

            You know, it’s not even worth arguing.

            Zimmerman is a woman beating, cop assaulting, child molesting, incestuous, bully and former gang-member (MS13) with delusions of grander and a childish hero complex that leeches off of other people’s work, purposefully skirts the law and has never produced anything of value in the 29 years he had spent on this earth AND HAS BEEN FOUND NOT GUILTY OF MURDERING TRAYVON MARTIN IN A COURT OF LAW.

            Now, go have a good cry. Maybe mommy will make you a nice glass of warm milk.

          • Griz2000

            “it’s not even worth arguing.”

            Running away are we?

            “AND HAS BEEN FOUND NOT GUILTY OF MURDERING TRAYVON MARTIN IN A COURT OF LAW.”

            And? Am I supposed to care?

            Oh look, your attempt to project your failure onto me has failed, yet again.

          • Griz2000

            “Running away are we?”

            Nope, went to sleep.

            “And? Am I supposed to care?”

            I’ll evaluate your level of caring on your actions, not on your statements… Because you’re proven unrepentant bare-faced liar.

            “project”

            I see your plagiarism extends to more than avatars and aliases.

            BTW, on the topic of avatars:

            Moron, that picture you’re using? The dude with the silly grin.

            Not me, f*cktard.

            But thanks for displaying, FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS, just what a pack of scumb@gs you Trayvonista thug-lovers are. You have no facts or logic on your side, so you attempt to gather and use personal information to squelch those that you can’t intellectually defeat.

            How’d that work out for you, you insufferable twit? Next time around you’d best remember that that tactic only works if YOU GET THE TARGET RIGHT… and if you’re up against COWARDS. You’re 0 for 2.

          • Griz2000

            “”Because you’re a proven unrepentant bare-faced liar.”

            Where’s your proof? NB4 ‘homework’

            “you attempt to gather and use personal information”

            You mean like how YOU tried to gather MY personal information? Right.

            “Not me”

            Good, then you won’t mind me using it.

            “YOU GET THE TARGET RIGHT”

            Oh, you mean like all the times that you accused me of being people that I’m not? Gotcha.

          • Griz2000

            “You mean like how YOU tried to gather MY personal information?”

            Liar. I have no interest in your RL name or likeness. Just the aliases and sock-puppets you use to troll with.

            Remember, I’m not the one stealing avatars and aliases. YOU ARE.

            “Good, then you won’t mind me using it.”

            The more clearly your posts can be differentiated from the REAL GRIZ2000 the better. Knock yourself out, f*cktard.

            “Oh, you mean like all the times that you accused me of being people that I’m not?”

            Whatever, “MrsDavis”… This isn’t a court of law, and the FACT you’re a lying, plagiarizing sock-puppeting troll is enough evidence to confirm my other suspicions.

            I know.

            You know I know.

            I know you know I know.

          • Griz2000

            “I have no interest in your RL name or likeness.”

            Is that so? You only have no interest after you hit a brick wall trying to find it.

            “Just the aliases and sock-puppets you use to troll with.”

            Lol, you’re going to be looking for a long time. I don’t have any sock puppets.

            “Whatever, “MrsDavis”"

            lol, you’re a fool. Looks like this “MrsDavis” person really got under your skin. First it was karvooj now it is “MrsDavis”

            “you’re a lying”

            I haven’t told a single lie, that’s why this is so funny because you keep going off the deep end while calling me a liar.

            “sock-puppeting”

            I don’t have any other accounts. But I laugh at your speculation.

            “is enough evidence to confirm my other suspicions.”

            Your ‘evidence’ is based entirely on your own unfounded speculations.

            But hey, stay crying, Paliachi.

          • Griz2000

            “Is that so?”

            Yep. It’s so.

            “You only have no interest after you hit a brick wall trying to find it.”

            Ret@rd YOU ACCUSED ME of such, and I pointed out that I’m not some TLA agency not only didn’t I have the DESIRE to “dox” you, I don’t have the technical means to do so.

            “Looks like this “MrsDavis” person really got under your skin.”

            Hyuck hyuck, says the troll… I’m not “MrsDavis”, but she sure got under your skin, hyuck hyuck.

            Do you even bother to read what you write?

            “I haven’t told a single lie”

            You know that’s a lie. And I know you know.

            And, yes, you know that I know that you know.

            “But hey, stay crying, Paliachi.”

            Moron, it’s “Pagliacci”.

            From the Watchmen:

            Rorschach: I heard a joke once: Man goes to doctor. Says he’s depressed. Says life is harsh and cruel. Says he feels all alone in a threatening world. Doctor says, “Treatment is simple. The great clown Pagliacci is in town tonight. Go see him. That should pick you up.” Man bursts into tears. Says, “But doctor… I am Pagliacci.” Good joke. Everybody laugh. Roll on snare drum. Curtains.

            Or are you referring to the opera and movies titled that?

            “Pagliacci can refer to:
            Pagliacci, an opera written and composed by Ruggero Leoncavallo Pagliacci (1936 film), a 1936 British-Italian film based on the opera
            Pagliacci (1948 film), a 1948 Italian film based on the opera
            Pagliacci (1982 film), a 1982 Italian film based on the opera”

            You’re such a moron.

          • Griz2000

            Stay buttmad bro.

          • Griz2000

            Cling to your forlorn delusions, you pathetic lying plagiarist troll.

            But, hey, despite how badly you’ve humiliated yourself, you can always hope the jury will convict George Zimmerman of Murder 2 in mid-July, right?

            Ooops. NOT GUILTY?

            Aww. Sucks to be you.

          • Griz2000

            Stay mad.

          • Griz2000

            “Oh, and people are wising up to the fact that this case HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH SYG.”

            Riiiiiight. That’s why the Jury considered SYG while deliberating and the SYG law was in the jury instructions as well as in the defense’s closing argument.

          • Griz2000

            SYG is not self-defense, moron.

            How, after MORE THAN A YEAR, can you still not get it.

            SYG means you have no duty to retreat. Either Zimmerman was telling the truth, and he HAD NO ABILITY TO RETREAT, and therefore SYG did not apply… or he was lying, in which case he did not have a valid SELF DEFENSE CLAIM, and SYG STILL DID NOT APPLY.

            The SYG law contains immunity provisions… NONE OF WHICH WERE ADDRESSED AT THE TRIAL.

            AGAIN: SYG HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS CASE.

            SYG is NOT self defense.

            GET IT, RET@RD?

          • Griz2000

            “SYG is not self-defense”

            Tell that to the Jury, who considered SYG. Tell that to the Judge, that put SYG in the jury instructions. Tell that to the defense, that asked for SYG to be put into the jury instructions.

            “Either Zimmerman was telling the truth, and he HAD NO ABILITY TO RETREAT”

            Judging by what the B37 and B29 said, they seem to believe that GZ had the ability to get away.

            “or he was lying, in which case he did not have a valid SELF DEFENSE CLAIM”

            B37 and B29 indicated that they believed GZ was lying.

            “The SYG law contains immunity provisions… NONE OF WHICH WERE ADDRESSED AT THE TRIAL.”

            The defense said that they will be trying to get immunity after the trial. Tho they waived the immunity hearing.

            “AGAIN: SYG HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS CASE.”

            Tell that to the defense, which basically agued SYG in the trial.

            “SYG is NOT self defense.”

            SYG is a PROVISION of Self Defense. A provision that the Defense was all too willing to have in the jury instructions and a provision that the jury considered in this case during deliberations.

            If you believe that this case wasn’t about SYG, then you got hoodwinked.

          • Griz2000

            “Tell that to the Jury, who considered SYG.”

            Moron, how does SYG apply when the defendant’s story is that HE HAD NO ALTERNATIVE to “standing his ground”?

            “B37 and B29 indicated that they believed GZ was lying.”

            Really? Cite. You are aware that there are endless precedents where the defendants LIE THROUGH THEIR TEETH… Yet are found innocent of the crimes they’ve been accused of?

            Or are you still refusing to comprehend the difference between “belief” and “proof beyond a reasonable doubt”?

            Why don’t you tell me Zimmerman’s behavior is “culpable”, again?

            “”The SYG law contains immunity provisions… NONE OF WHICH WERE ADDRESSED AT THE TRIAL.”

            “The defense said that they will be trying to get immunity after the trial.”

            What I said: “The SYG law contains immunity provisions… NONE OF WHICH WERE ADDRESSED AT THE TRIAL.”

            You QUOTED ME… Yet are too stupid to comprehend that what I said is accurate, and your rebuttal irrelevant.

            “Tell that to the defense, which basically agued SYG in the trial.”f

            How would you know that? You don’t even comprehend the difference between Florida’s SYG law and the basic near-universal laws on SELF-DEFENSE.

            “If you believe that this case wasn’t about SYG, then you got hoodwinked.”

            You’re a moron, and a bald-faced liar.

          • Griz2000

            “how does SYG apply when the defendant’s story is that HE HAD NO ALTERNATIVE to “standing his ground”?”

            Boils down to when the jury believes GZ’s use of force began.

            “You are aware that there are endless precedents where the defendants LIE THROUGH THEIR TEETH… ”

            You mean like how nearly all the defense witnesses all lied through their teeth or were hired spindoctors.

            “are you still refusing to comprehend the difference between “belief” and “proof beyond a reasonable doubt”?”

            If a juror BELIEVES something from the evidence and they can’t think of any reason as to why that belief could be false, then juror is convinced beyond a reasonable doubt. Juror b29 has NO DOUBT that Zimmerman committed murder, she falsely believed that GZ had to intend to kill to be found guilty of murder, which is NOT the law.

            “Why don’t you tell me Zimmerman’s behavior is “culpable”, again?”

            His behavior was culpable.

            “You QUOTED ME… ”

            Yeah, and you’re too stupid to comprehend that theimmunity hearing that he wishes to have is based on the SYG provision.

            “How would you know that?”

            Because I watched the trial. The defense kept saying ‘no duty to retreat’ over and over.

          • Griz2000

            “Yeah, and you’re too stupid to comprehend that theimmunity hearing that he wishes to have is based on the SYG provision.”

            NOT PART OF THE TRIAL, MORON.

            All it will do is give him immunity from civil suits, MORON.

          • Griz2000

            “NOT PART OF THE TRIAL”

            1) Judge included SYG in the jury instructions.
            2) Defense used SYG in a lot of their arguments.
            3) Jury considered SYG while deliberating.

            “All it will do is give him immunity from civil suits”

            Too bad GZ waived his immunity hearing then.

          • Griz2000

            “1) Judge included SYG in the jury instructions”

            None of which you cite.

            “2) Defense used SYG in a lot of their arguments.”

            None of which you cite.

            “3) Jury considered SYG while deliberating.”

            Evidence for which you fail to cite.

            “Too bad GZ waived his immunity hearing then.”

            Too bad he’s still entitled to one.

            I doubt he’ll need one, though.

            A civil suit would expose ALL THE DIRT on Trayon that was suppress in a criminal case. More flexible rules of evidence is a sword THAT CUTS BOTH WAYS.

            Lets recap:

            You and your ilk lost.

            George Zimmerman and those of us on the side of Truth, Justice, and the American way WON.

            You’re a liar.

            You’re a lazy, plagiarizing troll.

            The trial’s over, and you are now as relevant as teats on a boar hog.

          • Griz2000

            1) Read the instructions for yourself.
            2) Go listen to jurror 37′s anderson cooper interview.
            3) Go watch the defense’s closing argument.

            Stay mad.

          • Griz2000

            Trial’s over. We won, you lost.

            *I* mad?

            BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

            Stay stupid, “Paliachi!”

            BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

          • Griz2000

            Don’t care. You can either stay mad and continue to prove that I own you or you can get a life.

          • Griz2000

            Oooooh. Get a life.

            Gee, MrsDavis, you should get some more shtick.

          • Griz2000

            “MrsDavis”

            So funny that you think I’m “MrsDavis”. It’s like I have you so shook that you even think your own shadow is me.

          • gbpuzzler

            “While you’ve been operating in your little Tray’tard bubble, the rest of the country has learned that poor widdle aspiring astronaut and honor student was in fact a street fighting juvenile delinquent pothead thug, a trafficker in pot and at least a wanna-be gun runner… We shan’t even mention the child porn and other embarrassments recovered from his phone.”

            Wrong, what the country has learned is how the small group of racist Zimmerman acolytes is prepared to use any garbage that they can get their hands on or invent to push the claim that Trayvon was a thug who “deserved to die”.

          • gbpuzzler

            “How is his concern or lack of concern for shooting his own hand relevant to whether or not he was acting in self defense?”

            Why would he have been unable to just move his other hand out of the way – or even been holding on to his gun with both hands?

            Answer: because he was holding on to something with his other hand- perhaps Trayvon Martin’s hoodie (his DNA was along the bottom edge of it).

            “Lets not even mention the fact that a defendant has an basic and absolute right to refrain from testifying against himself.”

            If it really looked like it would be to his advantage to testify, he would do so, he wouldn’t be invoking his right not to. Your wording that he had a right to refrain from testifying “against himself” is telling – it suggests that you realize that if Zimmerman had testified, it would have bolstered the case against him.

          • Griz2000

            Here’s the last comment stream, dummy.

            _______________________________________________________________________________

            Me: ok, get a life then. you’re the one that keeps tapping on my shoulder to hurl childish insults at me.

            _______________________________________________________________________________

            You: I have a life, thanks.

            What’s your excuse, troll?

            Ret@rd, if you don’t want your words to be replied to, why the F are you posting them in a public venue?

            You’re such an a$$h0le.

            _______________________________________________________________________________

            Me: “I have a life, thanks.”

            Doesn’t look that way.

            “What’s your excuse,”

            You keep tapping me on the shoulder and filling my inbox with your anger-filled rubbish. I don’t hover around disqus while waiting for you to make a response.

            “if you don’t want your words to be replied to, why the F are you posting them in a public venue?”

            Quote me telling you that I don’t want you to comment to me. I just find your comments to be too dull and uninteresting. You’re a boorish ragamuffin that seems to be constantly angry over nothing and has trouble letting things go. Look at how I twisted you completely out of shape. I already thoroughly defeated you a month ago and have moved on to new toys, but you keep insisting that I come and kick you around for a bit.

            “You’re such an a$$h0le.”

            Stay mad.

            _______________________________________________________________________________

            Like I said, you’re the one tapping on MY shoulder.

          • Griz2000

            Still don’t get it, do you?

          • Griz2000

            I get that you’re obsessed and incredibly butthurt.

            I can feel your anger.

          • gbpuzzler

            False, we know that he WAS scared, and we have no idea whether he thought that GZ was gay. RJ suggested that GZ might be a “rapist” but nothing that TM said indicates whether he agreed with that assessment.

          • doesntevenmatter

            But you know he was scared? Sorry. You either have to incorporate all of Jeantels testimony into your assertion or none of it. You don’t get to pick and choose. Well you can, but jurors cant.

          • gbpuzzler

            His use of the word “creepy” in his description of GZ implies that he was scared or at least felt uncomfortable about GZ following him.

            I’m not sure what you think I need to incorporate, but what I got from ALL of Jeantel’s testimony is that TM was scared or worried about GZ following him, ran away, and then continued to talk to Jeantel. He had NO wish or intent to get into a physical confrontation with him. When he again saw GZ (this time on foot) near where he was, he asked him “What are you following me for?” After a couple of exchanges of words, during which GZ never explained why he was following TM, TM’s phone sounded like it had fallen in the grass, and she heard TM say “Get off! Get off”, suggesting that GZ had done something to provoke him, perhaps tried to grab him.

            (Actually, I have some suspicion of what you think I need to incorporate, but just in case I am mistaken, I’ll let you say it more explicitly before I respond to it.)

          • doesntevenmatter

            No we don’t know that he was scared. If he was scared, why did he return to confront GZ?

          • gbpuzzler

            He didn’t return to confront GZ. GZ kept looking for him, and eventually turned up near where TM was.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            The term you’re seeking isn’t “defend”. It’s “punish the resident that didn’t recognize him as a resident and was giving a solicited description to the 911 dispatcher”.

            You’re welcome.

          • You’re mad. I’m glad.

            “It’s “punish the resident that didn’t recognize him as a resident and was giving a solicited description to the 911 dispatcher”.”

            1) How would Trayvon know any of that? How would he know who Zimmerman was, what he wanted or that he was on the phone with the police? Oh, that’s right, Trayvon ASKED and Zimmerman did not answer.

            2) You’re saying he wanted to “punish” and unidentified man with a 50 pound weight advantage, while unarmed, with no backup and not ending his phone call. You’re an idiot.

            Look, stop wasting my time with your retarded nonsense just because you’re some autistic that can’t stand being wrong.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You make my point! He was a disrespectful, arrogant, racist, angry , apoplectic, ill mannered guest. He should have taken his 4$$ into the building instead of doubling back to attack zimmerman.

          • You’re mad. I’m glad.

            You’re an idiot. You’re claiming that he was all these negative things when there is zero evidence of any of that. You’re basically projecting what you want to believe onto him. Go away, retard.

            He’s a teen that went to 7-11 to buy stuff and was essentially stalked by an unidentified stranger that was armed with a gun instead of common sense.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Read the thread. We’ve established who the idiot is. Ask anyone. Read the facts. If you’re 17 and if that even matters, you should be respecting your elders, when you’re not on your own grounds. You should take your stupid, racist, thug 4$$ back to where you were going. No! Like martin should have done and what would have kept his young, dumb, racist, bad mannered 4$$ alive would be if he went away like you should, fat bald goofy fag!

          • You’re mad. I’m glad.

            It is established in this thread that you’re the idiot.

            “Ask anyone”

            I suppose that’s why my posts have more up votes than yours do then. You should go fuck off somewhere with your projection.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            If that’s what you believe, then you’re as ignorant as you are stupid and illiterate.

          • You’re mad. I’m glad.

            I’m demonstrably more intelligent than you are.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            As far as you know but how would you know, ignorant racist?

          • You’re mad. I’m glad.

            You haven’t said or done anything to prove me wrong in saying that I’m demonstrably more intelligent than you are.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            That’s how willfully ignorant you are. When you’re purposefully ignorant, in light of the facts before you, do you know what we call that?

          • You’re mad. I’m glad.

            You don’t have any facts. You only have childish projections.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            …in your insignificant, irrelevant, incorrect opinion.

          • You’re mad. I’m glad.

            in your insignificant, irrelevant, incorrect opinion.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            One of us knows what he’s talking about. Here’s a hint: It’s not you.

          • You’re mad. I’m glad.

            One of us knows what he’s talking about. Here’s a hint: It’s not you.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            …said the projecting, immature coward…

          • You’re mad. I’m glad.

            …said the projecting, immature coward…

          • Libertarian Soldier

            It’s not what you think. It’s that this article and blog is aimed at you delusional, irrational retards. There are more of you than there are smart people. I can’t believe that your defective noggin allowed that thought out. I’m selling bridges but you’ll have to get back to me within the day or you might miss out! Don’t forget, you have to wire me the money, today!”

            No checks from the bank of “Fcuk (yourself) off”, especially if the address is Fantasyland!

          • You’re mad. I’m glad.

            This article is about Zimmerman’s cousin that says the he molested her for several years.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            It’s about you ignorant f’s working overtime to besmirch a man’s character with irrelevant smut so you can advance your racist theories. If you can kill his character more than the media did before and during the trial, you can re-litigate it in eye of the public and it’ll make you feel like maybe you’re right. You’re not. It won’t change the unanimous verdict.

            With an out of control government, it’s out of control left wing party, it’s out of control propaganda ministry (the media, including hatchet job, racist blogs like this), George Zimmerman, a law abiding, tax and association paying citizen and member of “The Retreat at Twin Lakes”, whom martins parents fleeced in a wrongful death law suit settlement. It’s about charging without a Grand Jury. It’s about the state’s attorney being pressured to charge Zimmerman even though there was not enough evidence to go forward. It’s about the propaganda ministry and dolt like you prejudging and turning not only jurors against zimmerman, looking for something to convict him of, absent any evidence, whatsoever to convict of homicide other than self defense but witnesses who changed their story, who decided zimmerman was such a bad guy he had to be a murderer.

            This is more of the same.

          • You’re mad. I’m glad.

            I’m not the one working overtime to besmirch anyone’s character. For starters, zimmermans character flaws are all well known. Secondly, I don’t spend my time thinking about Zimmerman. You’re the retard that’s still trying to crap on the character of a dead teen that can’t defend his honor. Zimmerman can defend himself, but you insist on dumping on the dead kid.

            Truth be to,d, I don’t give a flying fuck about Zimmerman. But I won’t stand idly by and let a retard like you dogpile a dead teen that can’t defend himself or his name.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            There’s no crapping on a crappy character. The race bias is yours. You have no reason whatsoever to believe that t martin did not precipitate his own demise when a law abiding, tax paying, citizen and resident is vilified for acting within the law and withing his rights when waylaid by an assailant with a stated racist remark. It doesn’t matter whether that teen is a teen or whether he’s black, while you speak of terms of which you have no understanding. Cognitive dissonance is what you experience when it’s explained to you, over and over the way the law works and you don’t want to understand. You’re welcome for the explanation you certainly have no idea how to apply. It’s intelligent sounding noise when you misapply it. Factually, it’s not as intelligent sounding as you think it is.

            Your racism permeates your classless, vulgar, irrational remarks. This isn’t about what half hispanic and black teens do. This is right and wrong. This is rights and conflicting rights. This is prevailing rights and the Florida Statutes which you shirk, outright.

            It doesn’t matter who’s what race when one has to use a gun to save one’s self against the assault and battery of an assailant that does not stop when his victim is screaming for his life. It is beyond reason to continue to batter, to smother, to curse, threaten and inflict trauma to the head of said victim that alone might result in brain damage. If you don’t stop then, you get shot. The use of deadly force is necessary by the reasonable man’s standard. How long is one expected to survive brain damage from having his head impacted, repeatedly into the ground? How bad does the damage have to be.

            The use of deadly force is not only reasonable but is necessary when screaming wasn’t enough to signal the assailant that the victim had submitted. You continue to make this a black issue when there are no indicators of race except what’s obvious to the casual observer and clearly not part of the crime.

            There’s no crapping on the assailant! The assailant denies he’s a thug and claims to be a “gangsta”. That’s crapping on one’s self. That’s the word of the assailant. Did he bite off more than he could chew! Chew on a bullet! Did he deserve what he got? He made a whole series of choices that would have caused this to end differently. Was George Zimmerman within his rights, legally, ethically and morally! Damn right! Get the f’ over it. It only has something to do with race if you want it to. You want it to.

          • You’re mad. I’m glad.

            tl;dr Stop filling my inbox with your delusional monologues. There was nothing wrong with Martin’s character, you feeb.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Not anymore!

          • You’re mad. I’m glad.

            Go away, you sad waste of life.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You should go away. I’m truth, law, science of formal principles, relevance, propriety, that which makes your prejudiced, emotional, irrelevant, insignificant life a sad waste.

          • You’re mad. I’m glad.

            You should go away. I’m truth, law, science of formal principles, relevance, propriety, that which makes your prejudiced, emotional, irrelevant, insignificant life a sad waste.

          • gbpuzzler

            “You have no reason whatsoever to believe that t martin did not precipitate his own demise when a law abiding, tax paying, citizen and resident is vilified for acting within the law and withing his rights when waylaid by an assailant with a stated racist remark. ”

            You have no reason whatsoever to believe that this is in any way an accurate description of what happened. Zimmerman definitely has not shown himself to be particularly law abiding and there is no reason to believe that Trayvon Martin waylaid Zimmerman rather than the other way around.

            Martin certainly was not battering, smothering, threatening, or inflicting trauma to the head of Zimmerman, and Zimmerman had no legitimate reason to shoot him. At the most, he could have tried to take less lethal steps to try to defend himself from the minor injuries that were (maybe) being inflicted on him, but (by his own account) he never tried. But what I really believe is that any force inflicted on Zimmerman by Martin were Martin’s vain attempts to escape from Zimmerman, who was determined to prevent him from escaping.

          • gbpuzzler

            “How long is one expected to survive brain damage from having his head impacted, repeatedly into the ground? How bad does the damage have to be.”

            That’s an irrelevant question. Zimmerman had two tiny wounds to the back of his head, and no sign of a concussion, let alone more serious head injury. His head ;was not being impacted into the ground. He was in no danger of getting any brain damage AT ALL.

            “He made a whole series of choices that would have caused this to end differently.”

            It is not clear if ANY choice that Trayvon Martin could have made would have caused things to end differently. George Zimmerman was the one who made a whole series of choices that clearly could have caused things to end differently. He could have chosen not to follow Martin, not to leave his car, to return to his car after being advised to stop following Martin, to try to explain, in a non-threatening way, why his was following Martin, to leave things alone and not touch Martin, or to end the confrontation instead of shooting Martin. He was absolutely NOT within his rights legally, ethically, or morally.

          • gbpuzzler

            “Cognitive dissonance is what you experience when it’s explained to you, over and over the way the law works and you don’t want to understand.”

            No, what people experience when you “explain” things over and over is realizing either that a) it’s irrelevant, because it only matters if you assume that Trayvon Martin brutally attacked George Zimmerman, which isn’t what happened, or that b) you’re just parroting junk that you read elsewhere, and you don’t know what you’re talking about.

            Cognitive dissonance is what YOU experience when you won’t accept when it’s explained to you that what the evidence shows is different than what Zimmerman claimed, and that Zimmerman was at fault in the shooting, because it goes against your racist biases.

          • gbpuzzler

            Other than your statement that the verdict can’t be changed, which is true, most of what you say about Trayvon Martin and the guy that you are addressing are true of you and your defense of Zimmerman. Your spreading of racist, filthy lies about Martin’s character is “victim shaming”. He was the victim, not Zimmerman. You are the one who is ignoring relevant facts about someone’s character, namely, relevant facts about Zimmerman. He was known to have repeatedly harassed black people, some of them residents, in his complex. He had repeatedly called the police on black people who he had seen in his neighborhood, most of whom weren’t doing anything wrong. He is known for for being a bully, both before and after the shooting, including the incident with the undercover cop, the incidents with his estranged wife and girlfriends, and others. He was never as “law abiding” as you claim.

          • gbpuzzler

            “…George Zimmerman, a law abiding, tax and association paying citizen and member of “The Retreat at Twin Lakes” and its community watch volunteers,… ”

            Zimmerman paid little attention to the law when it stood in the way of what he wanted to do. As for the “Neighborhood Watch”, he arranged for a presentation on it, volunteered to be in charge of it, and then didn’t follow through. What he was supposed to do was recruit “block captains” and make sure that further meetings of the residents were held to get everyone on board. The intent of the organization/concept is to get people to watch out for their neighbors, to get people to call for help if anything suspicious was happening, but not to go out and confront potential criminals themselves, and especially not to do so while carrying a loaded gun. Instead, Zimmerman used the organization as an excuse for doing his own private “patrolling” of the neighbhorhood, while carrying a loaded gun.

          • gbpuzzler

            “This unethical, illegal, unconstitutional trial was about charging without a Grand Jury.”

            Florida only requires a Grand Jury for first degree murder. Charging without one was legal in this case and is frequently done in Florida. Charging without a Grand Jury in this case is in no way “persecution” of George Zimmerman.

            “It’s about the state’s attorney being pressured to charge Zimmerman even though there was not enough evidence to go forward.”

            Wrong. There was plenty of evidence to go forward. The detective in charge of the case recommended it, and the local DA’s office chose not to follow through, so the State Attorney stepped in.

            “It’s about the propaganda ministry and dolt like you prejudging and turning not only jurors against zimmerman, looking for something to convict him of, absent any evidence, ”

            It was about Zimmerman’s attorneys trying to turn potential jurors against Trayvon Martin by encouraging people to spread irrelevant garbage against him, and doing their best to publicize irrelevant claims about Martin that would make him appear to be a violent thug.

            As for jurors being turned against Zimmerman, the jury pool had over 200 potential jurors, so if the defense attorneys couldn’t find enough suitable ones, that was their own fault. As it happened, at least one was definitely biased against Martin and in favor of Zimmerman, and one knew nothing about the case before the trial started.

            “…absent any evidence, whatsoever to convict of homicide other than self defense but witnesses who changed their story,…”

            There was the fact that Zimmerman kept changing relevant details of his story, and that relevant details of his story were not consistent with his injuries nor with the physical evidence. In addition, Zimmerman was the one who had been following Martin, and Martin had been running away, and Zimmerman had no explanation for why he made no less-deadly attempt to defend himself.

          • gbpuzzler

            “Respecting your elders” is something that happens when your elders behave reasonably, and not go following you around in a way that makes you think they mean you harm, and then refusing to tell you why they are doing that. Martin was on his way to where he was going, and would have reached that place if zimmy hadn’t decided to go looking for him and start an altercation with Martin after he found him.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Not claiming anything. The facts, based on the evidence bear that out. Do you know how to read? Get mom to read my post to you. George Zimmerman did not a thing wrong, not legally, not ethically, not morally. The verdict supports it! You sure like to call people “idiot”, “retard” and tell them to “go away” when you’re wrong!

            You white wash your bias, your preconceived prejudice with emotion. The law is dispassionate. Age doesn’t matter. All the hyperbolic emotional claims in the world don’t change the facts, that’s facts, “f”, “a”, “c”, “t”, “s” and it won’t change the verdict. Pick a few more names. See if that helps. Bad news, princess!

            Hey! I’ve identified the “stranger” who called the cops and got jumped while he was going to meet the patrol car the police sent. Most everybody knew him but if you’re the stranger who doesn’t live there and cop an attitude, an indignant racist attitude instead of either going the last few feet, to where dad’s booty call lives or respectfully, that’s respectfully, without a racist attitude, “creepy 4$$-cracker” asking who he is, treyvon martin would either have dropped out of the school he was already kicked out of, in Miami Gardens, killed someone else, been locked up for something else or , assuming he got a better attitude, might still be trying to get that high school diploma.

            Absent any facts to support your overblown hyperbole, you reach for your histrionics and try to make smarter people look bad. Never works! You should learn from what the not fat, not white, not goofy, not stupid guy points out and you should stop pretending you know something! How’s that been working for you? Does that remind you of something, like what used to be done to you?

            Tell the truth. You used to get your lunch money taken, made to surrender your Air Jordans and had to walk home in his convers; you used to get slapped and kicked, made fun of. The brothers used to smack you around and make you cry; didn’t they? You never got picked for sports and so you decided to go wannabe, huh? Is that why you can’t think straight, try to act and talk out of your race?

            You really want to be one of the cool kids; don’t you? Want to learn how to dance? Is that why you can’t reason? Is that why you make your irrational points based on race? George Zimmerman isn’t even white! How smart are you? You still trying to impress the brothers?

            Got education? Got intelligence? Got learning ability? Got manhood? Anything?

          • You’re mad. I’m glad.

            You’re claiming several things about Trayvon’s intent and motivation which is something that you really have no way of knowing, dumbass. You have essentially turned him into a mustache twirling villain that just does bad things for no reason.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Not claiming anything. The facts in evidence, as well as facts that the judges refused to allow show what motivation and what martin’s intent was. The verdict supports those facts. Not the villiean, just the responsible party, actually irresponsible party. He had to live and die with his own actions and motivations. Sometimes people make mistakes from which they never recover.

            If that make me the “dumb ass”, then double dumb 4$$ on you, ignorant donkey!

            Since you keep changing the subject, you forget that they weren’t on a public street or highway. They were on complex owned and paid property. Your belief in morals and ethics is skewed by your ignorance and inability to distinguish or to discriminate the difference.

            “Stupid assertions”? You have the nerve to say anybody else beside you has stupid assertions? Really? Are you from Anaheim? You live in Fantasyland.

            Not going to “Fuck off”! That’s your job!

          • You’re mad. I’m glad.

            um, you’ve made several claims about trayvon that aren’t supported by any facts.

            The verdict doesn’t support anything that you’ve claimed. Trayvon was not on trial and the jury can only give a verdict on whether or not the prosecution proved their case. Zimmerman being acquitted doesn’t prove that, in fact, Zimmerman didn’t commit murder or that a single word of his claim was true. It certainly doesn’t prove that Trayvon was a bad person in any way.

            The streets in that complex were public and Zimmerman didn’t own the neighborhood. He didn’t even own the house he was staying in.

            By your bullshit logic, I shouldn’t have safe passage through the parking lot of an apartment complex if some asshole resident that only knows only 2 or 3 out of a hundred tenants doesn’t recognize me if I’m walking through at 7pm. Kill yourself.

          • gbpuzzler

            Yes, Trayvon Martin may have made a mistake from which he could never recover. Maybe he should have found a better hiding place or gone knocking on people’s doors for help.

            The problem was with zimmy’s motivations, not with Trayvon’s. Trayvon’s motivations were to talk to Rachel J on his phone and to get home to watch a basketball game and consume his snacks.

          • gbpuzzler

            ” George Zimmerman did not a thing wrong, not legally, not ethically, not morally. The verdict supports it! ”

            Killing a person who causes you some slight injuries after you pursue him for no good reason and start an altercation with him is far from being legally, ethically, or morally OK. The only thing that the verdict supports is that the evidence and the law weren’t laid out well enough for the jury to vote Zimmerman guilty.

            “I’ve identified the “stranger” who called the cops and got jumped while he was going to meet the patrol car the police sent.”

            I doubt that you have. He’s not George Zimmerman, who called the cops, decided to go looking for the “suspicious” guy while he was waiting for him, started an altercation with the guy to make sure he didn’t get away, and shot him when the guy fought back.

            “Most everybody knew him…”

            Not Zimmerman. Most of the residents from the area near where Trayvon Martin was shot said that they didn’t know him. A few had seen him at Homeowner’s Association meetings.

            “…but if you’re the stranger who doesn’t live there and cop an attitude,…

            Zimmerman was the one who copped an attitude, an attitude that Martin was an intruder and that he had the right to detain him, even though he had no legal authority to do so.

          • gbpuzzler

            “…instead of either going the last few feet, to where dad’s booty call lives…”

            It’s not clear whether he could have attempted to go to, and attempt to enter, the home without being caught by Zimmerman.

            “…or respectfully, that’s respectfully, without a racist attitude, “creepy 4$$-cracker” asking who he is,…”

            Trayvon Martin asked Zimmerman “what are you following me for?” That’s reasonably respectful, under the circumstances. On the other hand, Zimmerman could have been more respectful of Martin’s reasonable concerns about him, instead of assuming that he was a thug that he should round up.

            “treyvon martin would either have dropped out of the school he was already kicked out of, in Miami Gardens, killed someone else, been locked up for something else or , assuming he got a better attitude, might still be trying to get that high school diploma.”

            That;s a pretty presumptuous prediction, considering that at the time he was killed, Trayvon Martin had no arrests, had never been in trouble for a violent offense at school, had caused zimmy very minor injuries at most (and wouldn’t even have done that if zimmy hadn’t unlawfully tried to detain him), was on track to finish high school in 2013, and was planning to go to college like his older brother.

            Sticking up for Trayvon Martin isn’t a sign of stupidity or low education. It’s a sign of being a decent human being by recognizing that a black teenager did not deserve to be killed for walking through a townhome complex where he was a guest.

          • gbpuzzler

            Of course, it doesn’t occur to you that a white person who defends Trayvon Martin might have had some good experiences with black people, and might have had black friends or currently have black friends. I guess that goes against your “black people are thugs who defend thugdom” narrative. What a racist!

        • mandywhitby

          Assaults his ex.TRUTH
          Assaults a police officer.TRUTH
          That shows a history of violent behaviour. TRUTH
          Listen to 911 tape which you obviously havent he says “IM sick of these assholes always getting away” That is word for word. So you know nothing about the case.
          911 says you dont have to follow and he says ok YET keeps following. George says for a address yet he lives in the complex and says on police interview. I have a bad memory and forgot the address. How convienent.
          911 says can u meet police at mailbox and george says “Yeah, actually have them call me and i’ll tell them where i am” WHY? Cause he knows he following treyvon and doesnt know where hell be.
          F-ING C%%NS. Oh i guess he didnt say that when its blatantly obvious. All his supporters said No he said its f-ing cold. George himself said on police interview that he said punks. So his supporters even hear a word starting with a C but now cause he said punks now they say yeah it does sound like punks.
          Why is it that its ok for george to protect himself but not treyvon? He tried walking fast then ran away. We knmow he was walking back from store unarmed yet george has the right to follow him by car then on foot and treyvon cant protect himself. Its only georges word that treyvon bashed his head and fought him but maybe he tried to hold treyvon till police got there and treyvon struggled to get free. We all know how easily geoge lies as he has done it many times in a court room. Evidence shows that treyvon only had a small 1/8 mark on his left hand. He had george on the ground yet geoger only has small abrasions. My daughter has had worse form a sports game.

          George is a sick man and a murderer. Let me guess his cousin is lying now too.

          • doesntevenmatter

            Haha!!!

            Now don’t you feel stupid a year later when everything you said is complete bullcrap and Trayvon was the only one using racial slurs??????

          • gbpuzzler

            I’m not the person who you originally addressed this comment to, but I’m not sure why she should feel different because what she said hasn’t been shown to be bullcrap at all. It is clear that Zimmerman had repeatedly called the police on black people in his neighborhood for no good reason (the tapes were introduced in evidence). It was also pointed in that Zimmerman’s story changes as he retells it. And nothing was shown that corroborates Zimmerman’s claim that he was no longer chasing Trayvon, that Trayvon attacked him, or that Trayvon was hitting his head against the sidewalk. The tape still says what it said before about what Zimmerman said when talking to the police dispatcher. The tape still sounds like he said “f—ing coon”, which is generally regarded as a racial slur. And Zimmerman’s history since the trial has confirmed that he is a liar and a bully. The only way that my feelings has changed is that I wish that the prosecutors had done a better job of pointing out the issues and how they should lead to a guilty verdict.

          • doesntevenmatter

            He didn’t say coons, he said punks, no one calls people coons anymore. Trayvon was the only one using racial slurs.

            And he also called the police on other youths. And black kids WERE breaking into houses left and right.

            I suppose you didn’t notice the neighbors, black neighbors (one of whom had to move, an elderly woman) standing up for him?

            I didn’t see Zimmermans story change I saw him adding to it, which is common when one repeats a story. He also passed 2 polygraph examinations and voice stress analysis.

            Those things would not leave to a guilty verdict, even IF Zimmerman profiled Martin, and even IF he instigated the fight, he had every right to pull the trigger when his head was being slammed on the concrete while screaming for help.

          • gbpuzzler

            “He didn’t say coons, he said punks, no one calls people coons anymore.”

            He admitted to saying punks, which doesn’t mean that he did, especially when what he said didn’t sound like punks.

            “And he also called the police on other youths. And black kids WERE breaking into houses left and right.”

            Yes, he called the police on other black youths, including an 8-year-old boy who was walking to school. There was ONE burglary in the neighborhood, involving two black young men. How does that qualify as “breaking into houses left and right”?

            “I suppose you didn’t notice the neighbors, black neighbors (one of whom had to move, an elderly woman) standing up for him?”

            I noticed ONE black neighbor, the woman you mentioned, testifying on his behalf. Other black neighbors had complained about being harassed by him, but they weren’t asked to testify at the trial.

          • doesntevenmatter

            It did sound like punks. I can’t remember who it was, but you can hear on YouTube when it is slowed down its “punks” clear as day.

          • gbpuzzler

            OK, if you say so. Probably someone managed to make it sound that way because that’s what they wanted to believe.

          • doesntevenmatter

            You are the one trying to make people out to be racist that you don’t even know. People who not one person can say they’ve ever seen him do anything racist. Yes, he called the cops on black teens, but just as his neighbor, his black neighbor who stood up for him said, it’s because black kids ARE the ones Robbing the Neighborhood.

          • gbpuzzler

            He was calling the cops on black boys and young men over 40 times over a period of several years, even before any of the robberies. He also had a history of harassing them in person. Yes, there is reason to believe that Zimmerman was a racist.
            On the other hand, Trayvon Martin may have used ghetto slang in describing Zimmerman to Rachel Jeantel, but he had NO history of harassing or attacking white people.

          • doesntevenmatter

            You have a very selective memory. Yes, Zimmerman called the police on black teens (he did not harass them in person, that is not true) but again, that is because they were the ones breaking into houses. He also called the cops on other kids. He also had a black grandmother, who had a large hand in raising him, which means genius that according to the “one drop rule” he’s black also, at the very least his mother is. He has quite a few black family members, his black cousins he was raised alongside. In high school he and he alone set up a fundraiser for a black man who was beaten by the police. He also had quite a few black friends, one of whom he set up a business with, and dated black girls, one of whom he took to prom. He advocated for Obama. Where he lives in Florida there are a lot of different dark skinned nationalities, that’s why when you listen to the 911 call he when asked said “I think he’s black”….. Have you ever seen a Cuban? Dominican? Puerto Rican? They can look black also.

            So now the term “cracker” is “ghetto slang?” Ok, why can’t terms like n*****r and whatever else be redneck slang? They can’t because for one thing it’s wrong to label someone by race and another is the origin of those words. Just the fact that you said that shows what a hypocrite you are. And what about the fact that Martin’s friend said he didn’t like white people? Or the fact that his father was part of a gang that hates white people or that his parents were affiliated with the New Black Panther Party, the same one that tells black people to go out and hurt and kill as many white children and people they can? And as far as him not having any history of attacking or harassing white people, that’s completely an assumption because you don’t know that. The bus driver that he assaulted on his way down to Sanford, when Green had to leave in the middle of the night and drive to go get him, was white.

          • gbpuzzler

            “Yes, Zimmerman called the police on black teens (he did not harass them in person, that is not true) but again, that is because they were the ones breaking into houses.”

            There was ONE incident in which two young black men broke into a house. And in fact, Zimmerman did harass black residents in person, and some of them complained to the HOA about it, but nothing was done about it. There was one incident in which Zimmerman claimed that a black kid had stolen a bicycle from him, until the kid’s father proved that the bicycle belonged to the kid.

            “He also called the cops on other kids.”

            When, for instance?

            “He also had a black grandmother, who had a large hand in raising him, which means genius that according to the “one drop rule” he’s black also, at the very least his mother is.”

            Who or what still operates according to the “one drop rule”?

            If you want to try to convince me or any reasonable person that Zimmerman isn’t a racist, forget it. That ship has sailed. For instance, in a recent social media comment, he described President Obama as a baboon. Saying that isn’t a disagreement with his politics, its an out-and-out racial slur.

            “And what about the fact that Martin’s friend said he didn’t like white people? Or the fact that his father was part of a gang that hates white people or that his parents were affiliated with the New Black Panther Party, the same one that tells black people to go out and hurt and kill as many white children and people they can?”

            I’ve never seen those claims. Would you care to tell me where you got them from? That sounds like part of the huge heap of garbage created by the racist Zimmerman supporters to try to fit in with their claim that Trayvon Martin “deserved to be killed” and to discredit his family.

            “The bus driver that he assaulted on his way down to Sanford, when Green had to leave in the middle of the night and drive to go get him, was white.”

            Another garbage claim. There is no evidence that this ever happened. Martin was suspended from school for having some marijuana residue in a baggie. If there was any evidence of such an assault, don’t you think that he would either have an arrest record or that this would have appeared in his school record? Well, neither is the case.

          • gbpuzzler

            “They can’t because for one thing it’s wrong to label someone by race and another is the origin of those words.”

            So what do you see as the origin of the term “cracker”? I’m not an expert, but the earliest use of the term that I am familiar with is from the book (not the movie, although of course the movie was based on it) “Gone With the Wind”. It was written in the 1930′s, but set in the 1860′s. In the book, the term “cracker” is used to describe a poor white farmer, probably one step above “white trash”, from the point of view of a white, plantation-owning family. It is probably reasonable to describe the term as a slur, in that context, but is it really a racial slur when it is used by members of a racial group to describe persons of lower socioeconomic standing who are of the same race?

            As for “labeling someone by race”, does it make sense to say that is always wrong? Are you going to claim that it is wrong to label someone an “African-American” if that is an accurate indication of the person’s racial group? And why is it better to use a non-racial slur like “punk” if you know nothing about the person being labeled?

            The use of racial slurs may be relevant to this case because of what it tells us about the motives of the people involved, but it has to be used together with other evidence.

          • gbpuzzler

            One explanation that I have read that I consider possible is this: there was a black gang in the area called the “goons”. It is possible that Zimmerman had said “goons”, assuming that Trayvon Martin was a member of that gang.

          • gbpuzzler

            “I didn’t see Zimmermans story change I saw him adding to it, which is common when one repeats a story.”

            Just because you didn’t see it doesn’t mean it wasn’t there. It is common for someone to add to a story because they forgot to include certain details at first, and included them later. What you would NOT expect to happen in such cases is that the additional details are clearly untrue and/or blatantly self-serving.

            For instance, Zimmerman came up with the “looking for an address” story on the “reenactment”, after he started to realize that his getting out of the car to follow Trayvon Martin was raising questions as to whether he was the aggressor. I think he dropped that claim later on, when it became clear that the police had a recording of his police phone call, and the “looking for an address” claim was not consistent with it.

            At a later time, Zimmerman claimed that Martin, after running away from his car, returned and circled his car. He claimed this to make it appear that Martin was a likely aggressor, not someone who was afraid of him and running away. But the claim is clearly BS: It wasn’t mentioned in the police phone call, and there wasn’t time for this to have happened before Zimmerman jumped out of his car to follow Martin.

            A third example is in the Sean Hannity interview, in which Zimmerman claimed that Martin was “skipping”, not running. Again, he was trying to claim that Martin didn’t seem to be afraid of him, but instead, this claim just sounded silly.

            “He also passed 2 polygraph examinations and voice stress analysis.”

            He never took any polygraph exams, and the voice stress analysis is meaningless when it comes to determining truthfulness or guilt.

            “Those things would not leave to a guilty verdict, even IF Zimmerman profiled Martin, and even IF he instigated the fight, he had every right to pull the trigger when his head was being slammed on the concrete while screaming for help.”

            Zimmerman’s head wasn’t being slammed on the concrete. His minor injuries, and the physical evidence at the scene, show that this is untrue. That is another self-serving lie that he told to make the shooting seem justified.

          • gbpuzzler

            “He didn’t say coons, he said punks, no one calls people coons anymore. Trayvon was the only one using racial slurs”

            Zimmerman claimed to have said “punks” during a police interview, when he was in damage control mode. If that’s what he admitted to, I think it is highly likely that the word that he actually used is more racist.

          • doesntevenmatter

            He said punks.

        • clifford715

           How did Trayvon know George had called the police? Could it be George told him while trying to detain him for the police?

        • Kip Halsey

          actually, EVERYTHING you think is false. IS TRUE

          hilllllllaarious moron

        • Libertarian Soldier

          He turned out to be and 4$$#0L3

        • gbpuzzler

          Travyon didn’t circle his car! zimmy claimed that in some versions of his story and not others, and he didn’t say anything of the sort in the police phone call!

      • Libertarian Soldier

        Conflation! 4$$#0L3 means racist? When did 4$$#0L3 start beginning with “N”? Retard!

    • Temptation0330

      …are you serious…what about priest that molest children…would you think that they would do that?

    • SCQueen

      Yes, a racist would mentor black kids. A lot of people truly don’t know they are racist. I’m a teacher and I’ve worked with quite a few oblivious racists. The stuff that comes out of their mouth…

      • doesntevenmatter

        People don’t know they are racist?

        That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard!!!! There is a big difference between being racist and having a subconscious fear based on the negative images that are portrayed by the media.

        Hey, maybe you’re racist-you should get yourself tested. I guess the only way you can tell is when a black person attack you is whether you lay there and die or fight for your life, you know, because only a racist would do that.

        • gbpuzzler

          A lot of people are in denial about being racists.

    • Ladyloree621

      Not the ex. She knew him since she was six years old.

    • msraingirl2

      clearly u know nothing about people racists r able to interact with those deemed inferior to them which empowers the racist to act in a superior manner just like geo did if he really did tutor a black kid I am sure he felt like a king on top of the world because he was in charge and the black kid was never interviewed to discover how he/she was treated by george all we ever hear r stories told by the zim fam. they are fighting for geo life so a lie is nothing for them to tell if it works in their favor.There is history of george having issues with authority to prosecute him he has proven to the court and the world that he is a habitual liar what else is needed the cops should have taken a toxicology report on him the night of the murder they should be sentenced for what they did not do in this case

    • quban84

      An ex girl friend please he wrong for talking abbout mexxicans on face bbook. Wrong for the middle eastern guy jokes. Got him a ugly fat bblue eyed wife. He is a chester molester and only a unexperience with sex guy will back him. Just take it or fake it till you make it.

    • Buddyz

      of course not.
      your responding to a loon.

    • Kip Halsey

      obviously! lol. idiot. if she was the ex, don’t you think they would be able to recognize? of course not. you didn’t think, did you.

    • gbpuzzler

      I’ve never seen any real evidence that he was in a mentoring relationship with any kids at the time of the shooting. He kept claiming that he and his wife had been having a mentoring session with the kids that afternoon. After the trial, his wife said that they had had a fight, and that she had been at her father’s house on the day of the shooting.

  • mandytoronto

    I heard them mention witness 9 in the bail hearing and said she would make george look very bad. I think she is a family member or ex member as they blank her out at 2;13 it sounded like she was gonna say especially because of my brother. They blocked it out but listen at 2;00 and you can hear all the things cut out. All i say is thank god for the people who donated as it made him so creedy that he and wife lied in court and are proven liars. Hes back in jail, she is charged and i think it will help show his credibilty at trial which is everything since no one saw who started the fight only the ending and its georges word only.

    • Me.

      Zimmerman started the confrontation by following Martin, fulfilling the “reasonable threat” factor that Martin needed for Stand Your Ground.  Martin proceeded to defend himself, but failed due to Zimmerman being armed. 

      George in my opinion cannot claim he was standing his ground and was negligent in his handling of the situation, so the only logical outcome is a conviction of manslaughter.

      • Michael

        So much for your ” LOGIC “. Never take a logic course from a box of creepy a** cracka jacks.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mspumpum2u Sharonda Rosette

    I STRONGLY believe that witness #9 is his ex-wife…HD!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Terrance-Jones/100003844972545 Terrance Jones

    Total nutjob.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1629594683 Terry Tee

    This lady is a nutjob.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=536739745 Antoniette Donaldson

    Yes there are alot of unanswered questions but his racism isn’t one 

  • http://www.facebook.com/mspumpum2u Sharonda Rosette

    I believe her!

  • Ladyloree621

    im glad she made the witness list

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dorenea-Denham/100000573271926 Dorenea Denham

    She sound legit to me. She said his whole family is open racists and alot of people are witnesses to it!

    • sinbadsailor

      She sounds like a phoney nut job to me. She talks and talks but fails to cite a single example of racism.

      • Jill88

        Your the nut job!  Go support your racist, pedophile, manipulating beady eyed weasel! He is going to jail and when they find out what he did to this girl they are going to rip him a new one to the point he will need a diaper for his remaining jail sentence.

        • http://kdev.us/ kdev

          jill, you mad a mad ape? OOH OOH AAH AHH!

          • Kip Halsey

            What was that zimmerman supporter, someone sounds like an ape. Oh yeah, you love zimmerman alright

          • palinpeople

            Thanks for ur stupidly. Obvious that u hate blacks so much that u support child molestation

          • Michael

            What child molestation ? Where’s the charge? Where’s the conviction? Oh yeah it was a false allegation. If someone ACCUSED you of that with no evidence , dies it make it so ?

          • Griz2000

            Zimmerman’s cousin accused him of sexually molesting/assaulting her from the age of 6 to 19. He was only two years older than her at the time, so I’d consider that to be just incest. It’s not like he’s 20-something feeling up a 12 year old.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Looking for relevance, not “write a screed where you flail in every direction without addressing the points raised”.

            Quell the hate within. That way you’ll stop comporting yourself like an ignorant ideologue.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            You’re clearly flailing in ever direction without addressing any points raised right now. Stop projecting

        • Libertarian Soldier

          Acquitted!

          • Kip Halsey

            Hey moron,so were emmet till;s killers and then they bragged about torturing a little boy.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            That’s it? A group of white racists chase down a 14 year old boy who whistled at a white woman! That’s just like this case, except for the white woman, so relevant (that means just like, Kippy) to 2012. Except for no white guys, no racists, no 14 year old (not little) boys.

            I see your point, too bad you’re wearing it on your head!

            Am I to understand you’re citing a 58 year old case with no merit and comparing it to a case when the evidence proves justifiable homicide, in self defense after a little, 5’10-6′ athlete, a guest of a guest, racially, incorrectly, profiled a resident/neighborhood watchman as a ‘creepy a*s cracker’ then went back to find him to do what he tweeted the day before that he ‘want(ed) to start a fight’?

            I see the connection. You think the (little) 14 year old boy was being rude, in that time, for whistling at a white woman, concomitantly, trayvon martin had no manners, as a guest of his father, in the apartment of his father’s girlfriend and I’m guessing you’re comparing that. Is that your line of thinking? I can understand that.

            OK. I didn’t make that connection but you’re going to call me a moron?

            That’s it?

            Acquitted, Race Baiter!

          • palinpeople

            U seem confused. U wrote an entire essay cuz u couldn’t figure out that tills killers were found not guilty. But they actually were guilty.

            Get it? Of course not

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Sorry you can’t keep up. If you call that an essay, with your personal disposition that is so vulnerable to faulty logic, it’s good that you haven’t bothered to educate formally since a real essay would likely feel like white oppression to you. I explained fully because I don’t think you and kippy are getting it.

            I’ll use smaller sentences.
            Casey Anthony was acquitted. That’s sum of the similarity of all these cases, unless you’re a race baiter and want to link them, to which I take exception and you should too.

            Other than acquittal, there’s no relation to the cases.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            You are not very intelligent. He is using the Till case to illustrate that someone being found ‘not guilty’ doesn’t necessarily mean that they didn’t commit a murder. it only means that a jury decided to acquit them. It’s funny. You guys seem to get it when it comes to OJ, but in this case, you don’t get it.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Seriously? you’re going to use that bit of faulty logic and tell me I’m not intelligent?

            You have no idea of what you speak. brown precipitated his own demise in Augus, 2014! That’s a fact! Anybody that says different is stupid. Is that what you’re saying? Are you stupid?

            I wrote a paper when I was studying pre law so I’m fairly up to date with those facts and how they have nothing to do with the example of martin. If you’re looking through the racist prism of 1955 and Emmett Till, from Chicago, going to Georgia, where the KKK is the enforcement arm of the democrat party cult and he doesn’t understand that he was in the heart of the racist south and it’s not integrated; it’s a lot like the ghetto in current times, maybe you have a point.

            Florida is not the democrat dominated racist south but your brain or whatever you’re using to fail to process information is.

            The difference is that George Zimmerman shouldn’t have even been charged and the prosecution was a racist overreach by the race baiting, race pimping Federal Government and a violation of George Zimmerman’s rights. That’s a fact.

            So, is that the connection? Emmett Till brought on his own demise? Is that you’re point? You’d be a racist for that, too!

            I still have the trial recorded on my DVR. Anybody that believes that the prosecution put on enough of a case to get a conviction on anything is stupid! I guess you’re saying that Zimmerman was guilty?

            Then you’re a f’ing retard, retard! F’ing trailer park trash! Oh and you’re as f’ing goofy thinking as you look!

            Who are you calling “you guys”? Are you another f’ing racist? How in the world does that relate to martin or Til? How does that for that matter have anything to do with OJ Simpson? You’re just a f’ing race baiter! You have the unmitigated gall to say I’m not very intelligent?

            Is that what make your trip on the short bus shorter? Imbecile! Run along, now, before you hurt your own feelings, dumb 4$$!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            “brown precipitated his own demise in Augus, 2014! ”

            Opinions. Also, the conversation has nothing to do with brown, you idiot.

            “Anybody that says different is stupid”

            Assertions. Nobody made you the king of judgements and assessments. Stop projecting.

            “I wrote a paper when I was studying pre law”

            That’s funny since you don’t seem to understand a basic argument and write a screed where you flail in every direction without addressing the points raised.

            “Florida is not the democrat dominated racist south”

            It’s a republican dominated racist south. You don’t seem to understand that the republicans and democrats switched platforms after the civil rights era.

            “The difference is that George Zimmerman shouldn’t have even been charged”

            Plenty of probable cause to charge him with a crime.

            Dude, your ENTIRE post is nothing but ‘race’ this and ‘race’ that. If anyone is race baiting here, it is you.

            “Emmett Till brought on his own demise?”

            Look, stop trying to justify the death of someone that did nothing wrong. Stop making stupid straw man attacks. Look at you, arguing that emmitt till caused his own DEATH and then you suggest that *I* made the same stupid argument that you just made to call me a racist if I disagree with your stupid assertions. Typical libertarian. 110% hot air and bluster, but poor reasoning skills and an inability to actually raise a salient counterpoint.

            “Anybody that believes that the prosecution put on enough of a case to get a conviction on anything is stupid!”

            1) The prosecution presented enough evidence to support a conviction of manslaughter if the jury understood what manslaughter was, which they didn’t.

            2) The prosecution threw the case.

            If you think that the prosecution did the best they could with the evidence and witnesses, you are a RETARD. If you think the prosecution couldn’t do way better in their sleep, you are a FOOL. If you think that the case doesn’t fit manslaughter, then you’re a meathead. Dead from the neck up.

            “Who are you calling “you guys”?”

            Idiots like you and your fellow zimbum supporters.

            “Are you another f’ing racist?”

            I wasn’t aware that being an idiot was exclusive to your race. Thanks for clearing that up.

            “How does that for that matter have anything to do with OJ Simpson?”

            He was acquitted and people like you still call him a murderer almost 20 years later (you know, because that’s what people like you BELIEVE), but when someone calls Zimmerman a murderer (you know, because that’s what they BELIEVE) you get all up in arms and start crying about how he was acquitted so that makes him absolutely not a murderer. Goose, gander. Shut up and consider suicide as a way to resolve your obvious life problems.

            “You’re just a f’ing race baiter!”

            That’s funny since you’re the only one crying about race here. Not my fault that you happen to see things differently based on race when I call you out for it. Calling you out for saying and doing biased things is not me being racist anymore than calling you out for being a retard, makes me stupid or calling you out for having bad breath makes my breath stink. It doesn’t work that way.

            “You have the unmitigated gall to say I’m not very intelligent?”

            Yup, and you have the unmitigated gall to prove me right in your response. Chew on that, corky.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            60 years ago! Not a single correlation. You’r looking for racial bias and hate. Look within! You’ll find it there!

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Learn to read. You’ll find that I addressed the one common link, the acquittals and they are in no way linked.

            I do have my own doubts about Casey Anthony but it comes out the way it should. The state had no case. No real evidence! The Federal Government didn’t weigh in on that one, not the pResident, not the Just Us Dept. They don’t serve the citizens. They keep the racist hatemongers fed with dissension. Feeling full?

            Funny! The head of the Just Us Dept. invoked Emmit Till regarding Michael Brown while the investigation was still going on and the pResident of the Untied States sent 3 emissaries to to his funeral and it turns out it was just a cops v robbers situation but your kind continues to stoke the flames of white establishment cops v victim-hood of robbers. That’s the real narrative. That’s what’s behind the vitriol of you ignorant people!

            operah house winfrey, who brought us barack hussein obama invoked Till regarding martin and you’re going to play dumb, that Till is not also being invoked for the same reason! Thanks operah!

            This race baiting government, it’s party and its propaganda ministry keep this divisive, hatemongering going and you, their followers, the angry little wing-nuts parrot their message with no idea you’re being used as a wedge to create vitriol in the country to advance an unconstitutional agenda that has no place in our founding principles.

            OJ? That’s what you’re going to inject? F’ing racist dolt!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Stop double responding to my old comments dum-dum.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            You’re the only one talking about race here. It isnt my fault that you seemingly have different opinions about people based on their race.

          • gbpuzzler

            Michael Brown a “cops v robbers” situation? More like a case of inappropriate police behavior.

            The courts have ruled that it is illegal for police officers to continue shooting at a person who is running away if the person is not endangering others, and that’s what Wilson, the officer in the Brown killing was doing.

            Everything else is irrelevant. The jaywalking does not justify shooting at him. Neither does the possible shoplifting, even if Wilson knew about it at the time (and it is not clear that he did). Even if Brown tried to grab Wilson’s gun during the altercation at the police car, since he was obviously unsuccessful and he was no longer able to attempt to do so from 40 feet away.

            In a kids’ game of cops and robbers, it is OK for them to shoot while running after each other, since their “guns” don’t shoot real bullets. But actual police officers with real guns that can kill people are required to behave in a more professional manner.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            omg! Change the subject and pepper it with some more racist non-facts (that means lie for you f’ing dimwits)!

          • Libertarian Soldier

            No connection what’soever, except the dead are both black. That’s a race pimping position! You want it to be about race because you’re the racist.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            You’re the one that’s getting all defensive over race here.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Absolutely! I’m not defensive. You’re offensive!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            You’re the one acting defensive over race.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Let’s examine that. Emmet Till, a 14 year old, not a “little boy”, by any stretch of the imagination, it is said, whistled at a white woman. I don’t find anything remotely similar to this case.

            Emmit Till died 58 years ago, so it’s a completely different United States. At that time, the democrats, the KKK were in power and fought hard against integration and civil rights of the south that included violence against blacks. What’s the connection, there?

            There’s another dissimilarity. Till was the victim of racism. martin, even less a child than Till was not a victim. Under Florida law, martin could be tried as an adult for a race related, hate crime. It was he, according to testimony of the state’s star witness that got all the way to his father’s girlfriend’s condo then returned to find Zimmerman after profiling him as a “creepy a*s cracker”, I believe he called him.

            martin was the visiting guest of a guest in his father’s girlfriend’s condo. He lived with his uncle, not his mother, either, in Miami Gardens where he was suspended from school and was sent to spend his suspension with his father, since he could not be supervised during the daytime hours at his uncle’s house during his suspension. There’s absolutely no similarity there, either.

            So, I fail to recognize how this has any similarity or connection to a case where George Zimmerman, the hispanic survivor of a race related hate crime could possibly be compared to a murderous, pack of young, white, racists.

            George Zimmerman, a resident in his own gated community was profiled, stalked, accosted, attacked, pummeled, smothered, told to shut up, cursed and threatened while he screamed for his life and tryavon martin tried to kill him.

            Justice for martin has already been served and martin precipitated the justice he got. Since you can use this unfounded, irrelevant, inflammatory, unrelated, race baiting example as a basis to call me a moron, I have to ask, who’s the moron?

          • Griz2000

            This witness was not there, so she has no way of knowing or claiming that Trayvon made it home. Only that he was ‘near the house’, which can mean almost any distance.

            ” I fail to recognize how this has any similarity or connection to a case where George Zimmerman”

            The similarity is due to the unequal protection of the law exhibited in both cases.

            You’re suggesting that GZ was profiled, stalked and accosted, but who left the truck to run after whom?

            “martin was the visiting guest of a guest in his father’s girlfriend’s condo.”

            Then he had a right to be there.

            “Under Florida law, martin could be tried as an adult for a race related, hate crime.”

            Hate Crimes don’t work that way. It takes more than describing someone by their race and getting into a mixup with them to charge someone with a hate crime. Not just that, but his behavior does not support your claim. He ran away from Zimmerman while he was in his truck.

            Seriously, there is nothing given in GZ’s account concerning what he claims Trayvon said or did that indicates that TM had acted based on his race.

            It isn’t much of a stretch that TM would have responded the exact same way regardless of a person’s race in that situation but you’re reaching incredibly far to label the event as a hate crime.

            “”creepy a*s cracker”"

            Trayvon also called him a ‘N*gga’ twice.

          • doesntevenmatter

            You obviously weren’t aware that Martin matched the description of someone who was reportedly looking into windows earlier that day, which is why GZ called the cops in the first place.

            You obviously don’t know the definition of the word “stalking” because GZ did not stalk TM, TM ran off, and GZ was trying to keep visual contact in order to answer the 911 operators questions.

            No one is saying TM didn’t have the right to be there, but he did not have the right to attack Zimmerman and beat him unmercilessly.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            “You obviously weren’t aware that Martin matched the description of someone who was reportedly looking into windows earlier that day”

            There is no such report.

            “which is why GZ called the cops in the first place.”

            No, GZ said that TRAYVON was looking into windows, which he later forgot about when questioned by the police.

            “You obviously don’t know the definition of the word “stalking”"

            stalk 2 |stôk|

            verb

            1 [ with obj. ] pursue or approach stealthily: a cat stalking a bird.

            • harass or persecute (someone) with unwanted and obsessive attention

            That’s exactly what Zimmerman did.

            “he did not have the right to attack Zimmerman and beat him unmercilessly.”

            1) We don’t know that Trayvon beat Zimmerman

            2) Even if he did, trayvon had a right to defend himself

            3) We don’t know whether or not Zimmerman initiated force or threatened Trayvon

            4) what does ‘unmercilessly’ mean? That’s like the opposite of mercilessly.

          • doesntevenmatter

            You obviously didn’t watch the trial.

            That is NOT what George Zimmerman did.

            Trayvon had the right to “defend himself” from what? If someone threatens you, which there is no proof of GZ doing, you don’t have the right to break their nose and pound their head on the pavement repeatedly while telling them you are going to kill them while they scream for help. Well, maybe in your moral compass they do, but not legally.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            “You obviously didn’t watch the trial.”

            I watched the entire trial live.

            “That is NOT what George Zimmerman did.”

            On his NEN call to the police, he said that Trayvon was looking through windows and dodging through lawns. When he was questioned by the police, he said that Trayvon was just walking in the rain and wasn’t running or anything. THAT is the reason he gave the police as to why he was suspicious. TWO DIFFERENT STORIES.

            ” If someone threatens you, which there is no proof of GZ doing, you don’t have the right to break their nose and pound their head on the pavement repeatedly”

            1) I have the right to do that if the person is holding a gun.

            2) You don’t know that trayvon did any of that. You just have Zimmerman’s word for it and his trivial injuries that do not evince the life-threatening ordeal that he claims happened.

            ” while telling them you are going to kill them while they scream for help.”

            There is 0 proof of any of that happening.

            “Well, maybe in your moral compass they do, but not legally.”

            Go look up the LAW in florida. There are severe cases where a person WASN’T overtly threatened, pulled out a gun and killed another person because they THOUGHT that person was a threat and they WALKED!!!

            The LAW in florida does not require a person to soul search before using force to defend themselves. If Trayvon felt that Zimmerman was a threat or KNEW Zimmerman, who was armed with a GUN, to be a threat, Trayvon had a legal right to use proportional force in self defense. If he BELIEVED that Zimmerman was armed (which he WAS) then Trayvon would have a legal right to bash his head and kill him under florida law! But at the end of the day, you don’t know if any of that stuff happened at all! You only have Zimmerman’s word for it and he is a pathological liar!

            but hey, I’ll ask you this. Tell me, why did the altercation move SOUTH in a beeline toward Trayvon’s home and not west toward Zimmerman’s truck or north with the momentum of trayvon’s alleged attack vector??? Trayvon is supposedly attacks from the SOUTH yet Zimmerman retreats SOUTH by his own claim? Explain this.

          • doesntevenmatter

            I had to stop reading where you said it was legal to attack someone and pound their head on the pavement and tell them you are going to kill them if they are carrying a gun (and legally)……Good idea!!!! LMAO

            But unfortunately in that case they also have a right to use deadly force because you are giving them the belief that imminent danger exists…..

            Under NO law do you have the right bash someone’s head in and kill them for carrying a gun.

            Trayvon had run off, and left the scene, you can clearly hear that on the audio tape. Despite your assertion that GZ is a pathological liar (which there is NO evidence to suggest that, other the the prosecution’s claim, which were not substantiated) he removed himself from danger. He then returned to the scene to confront and attack Zimmerman.

            I don’t know where you got your law degree, but I’d ask for a refund for my tuition if I were you.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            If someone presents themselves as a deadly threat, it is legal to use deadly force to stop that threat. Someone holding a gun is a deadly threat.

            I didn’t say anything at all about whether zimmerman had a right to use deadly force, we are talking about Martin’s rights. You seem to think he had no rights, but you are wrong.

            You can’t tell from the audio tape that martin had ever left the area of the T. It was pitch black in that dog walk area. Someone went and walked that area on the same day and time a year later and noted that it is almost impossible to see what’s in that dog walk because there’s no lighting.

            There’s plenty of evidence that zimmerman is a pathological liar. Look at his history. Look at the way that he changes his story constantly based on what he’s being asked at the time.

            Doesn’t matter if you think TRAYVON removed himself from danger or not. He had no duty to retreat and a right + cause to ask why he was followed and a threat can emerge at ANY point! For instance, if TRayvon asks why he’s being followed and zimmerman pulls out a gun or grabs him! Just because you think trayvon could have run, doesn’t mean that he was obligated to or that he was wrong not to based on what was in his head.

          • doesntevenmatter

            First of all, someone merely holding a gun isn’t a deadly threat, if you think it’s a good idea to attack someone holding a gun while unarmed you are even dumber than I thought.

            Do you know anything about the law? It is really frustrating to see how many people don’t take the time to learn anything about the law, but then take the time to argue it.

            No one said Trayvon Martin didn’t have rights. EVERYONE has rights.

            Do you know what depraved indifference is? Probably not. From US Legal- “To constitute depraved indifference, the defendant’s conduct must be ‘so wanton, so deficient in a moral sense of concern, so lacking in regard for the life or lives of others, and so blameworthy as to warrant the same criminal liability as that which the law imposes upon a person who intentionally causes a crime. Depraved indifference focuses on the risk created by the defendant’s conduct, not the injuries actually resulting”

            The prosecution proved that it was Trayvon Martin who acted with depraved indifference when he returned to the scene to confront Zimmerman, not Zimmerman, who exited his vehicle and attempted to make visual contact on the belief that Martin had fled the scene and would not be returning.

            Legally, you never have the right to attack someone, only to defend yourself.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            “someone merely holding a gun isn’t a deadly threat,”

            On what planet?

            “if you think it’s a good idea to attack someone holding a gun while unarmed you are even dumber than I thought.”

            People have done so and survived. It’s a personal call. Personally, if someone pulls a gun or is reaching for what I believe to be a gun on me and I’m within striking distance then I’ll probably take my chances with whatever I have depending on the situation. If all I have are my hands, then I’ll use those.

            “Legally, you never have the right to attack someone, only to defend yourself.”

            Legally, you don’t have an obligation to wait for someone else to attack you before you can use force to defend yourself.

            “The prosecution proved that it was Trayvon Martin who acted with depraved indifference when he returned to the scene to confront Zimmerman”

            That was NEVER proven. I don’t know what trial you watched but it was never proven that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman or that Trayvon acted with deprived indifference. For starters Trayvon wasn’t on trial and the failure to prove that Zimmerman committed a murder in no way proves that Trayvon did any of the things that Zimmerman claimed.

            “”To constitute depraved indifference, the defendant’s conduct must be ‘so wanton, so deficient in a moral sense of concern, so lacking in regard for the life or lives of others, and so blameworthy as to warrant the same criminal liability as that which the law imposes upon a person who intentionally causes a crime. Depraved indifference focuses on the risk created by the defendant’s conduct, not the injuries actually resulting”"

            Yeah, like leaving your truck to run after someone that’s running away from you with the intent of unlawfully detaining them and ultimately killing them when they defend themselves from you.

            Zimmerman created the risk when he left his vehicle to chase after someone (while armed) that was objectively moving away from him. Zimmerman left his vehicle specifically to engage someone that was trying to avoid him and wasn’t committing any sort of crime, einstain.

          • doesntevenmatter

            I feel like I am talking to a retarded teenager.

            No, someone holding a gun isn’t itself a threat. If your hunting and see someone with a gun, you can’t legally attack them.

            In law, certain factors have to exist. And Zimmerman wasn’t holding his gun, he was carrying it, legally, in its holster. If it was legal to beat someone to death simply because they have a gun, then by those standards it should be legal to shoot someone who comes close enough to you, to prevent it.

            People have shot themselves in the head and survived, doesn’t make it a good idea.

            In law, the aggressor is no longer the aggressor once the threat no longer is there. When Zimmerman got out of the truck, Martin had fled. Martin became the aggressor when he returned to attack Zimmerman.

            Unlawfully detaining them? He was attempting to make visual contact. Sorry to burst your tabloid bubble. Nothing suggests GZ would “unlawfully detain” Martin other than their “wannabe cop” theory.

            Even if Zimmerman did hunt Martin down and confront him, Martin, Martin displayed depraved indifference when he attacked him.

            Have someone who knows the law explain it to you.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            “No, someone holding a gun isn’t itself a threat.”

            In this context it certainly would be.

            “If your hunting and see someone with a gun, you can’t legally attack them.”

            If I’m walking down the street and someone pulls a gun out, I can defend myself from them.

            “In law, certain factors have to exist.”

            Uh huh. Actually, a person does not need to even have a weapon visible in order to use force against them in self defense.

            “Zimmerman wasn’t holding his gun, he was carrying it, legally, in its holster.”

            You don’t know that he didn’t have his gun in his hand or pull his gun out. You only have his word for it and he has a reason to lie if he were actually brandishing his weapon.

            “If it was legal to beat someone to death simply because they have a gun, then by those standards it should be legal to shoot someone who comes close enough to you, to prevent it.”

            This debate is over whether or not Trayvon had a right to use force in the situation. He did have a right if he believed Zimmerman was a threat and all the evidence indicates that he viewed Zimmerman as a threat of some sort.

            “the aggressor is no longer the aggressor once the threat no longer is there”

            Actually, that’s NOT the law at all.

            “Martin became the aggressor when he returned to attack Zimmerman.”

            Well, you don’t know that Trayvon returned to Attack Zimmerman. You don’t know whether Trayvon actually left the area at all and you don’t know who started the altercation. Based on both Zimmerman and Rachael, Trayvon asked Zimmerman why he was following him. Not a crime to ask the man what his deal is.

            “Unlawfully detaining them?”

            I was listing possibilities that you NEVER considered. You seem to think that it is a fact that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman for basically no reason when you don’t know how the altercation got started. It is certainly a possibility that Zimmerman tried to detain martin based on Zimmerman’s own statements and actions.

            “Nothing suggests GZ would “unlawfully detain” Martin other than their “wannabe cop” theory.”

            1) Zimmerman said that Martin was an “@$$hole” that “always gets away” right before getting out of his truck and pursuing him.

            2) Zimmerman suddenly changed his mind about meeting the police at the mailboxes right before the altercation started.

            3) Zimmerman clearly believed that Trayvon could still be in the area while on the phone with the operator.

            4) There is physical evidence that could indicate that Zimmerman was pulling Trayvon down during the altercation and when he shot and killed him.

            5) The flow of the altercation moved in a beeline toward Trayvon’s home and safe zone, not Torward Zimmerman’s truck.

            6) Based on Zimmerman’s account of the altercation, he had no reason to retreat towards Trayvon’s home. He had a clear vector to his truck and in order to retreat south, Zimmerman would have to be moving toward his attacker, not repealing away.

            “Even if Zimmerman did hunt Martin down and confront him, Martin, Martin displayed depraved indifference when he attacked him.”

            Trayvon had a right to defend himself in that scenario. I don’t see how that is depraved indifference at all. Trayvon tried to communicate as a matter of record while Zimmerman did not by his own admission.

            “Have someone who knows the law explain it to you.”

            I already know the law, apparently you don’t. Why don’t you go look up the law, matlock?

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You are!

          • gbpuzzler

            Even the defense, let alone the prosecution, never proved any such thing. They never proved that Trayvon Martin returned to the scene to confront Zimmerman. That’s only Zimmerman’s assertion, and defense attorney Don West’s beating various witnesses over the head verbally, to try to get them to say that, versus the testimony of Rachel Jeantel which says that he didn’t.

            Martin did bash Zimmerman’s head, nor “beat him mercilessly”. Those are also claims that he made, which are contradicted by the evidence.

            Zimmerman was the one who acted “with depraved indifference” for shooting a teenager who tried to fought back after Zimmerman tried to illegally detain him.

          • gbpuzzler

            I accidentally left out a word there. I meant that Martin DID NOT bash Zimmerman’s head.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Dad here! That’s a lie!

          • gbpuzzler

            If you’re a dad, then heaven help your kids, growing up with your racist, hateful, irrational world in which up is down and black is white. I am very thankful that my Dad is very unlike you!

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You have it backwards, like everything else. You’re the racist! If you turned out like you did, there’s a reason your father is unlike me.

            You’re the racist! Never forget that. I’m tired of you hillbillies calling me a racist. You backward, upside down race baiting, race pimping clowns don’t know what I even look like and you want to call me a racist!

            Fantastic!

            You should read a couple of books by someone “like me” and this if from me, dedicated specifically to you:

            “Please Stop Helping Us: How Liberals Make It Harder for Blacks to Succeed”, by Jason L. Riley and

            “Race Pimping: The Multi-Trillion Dollar Business of Liberalism”, by Kevin Jackson

            You should stop your race pimping, thinking you’re helping anybody! You’re not! You’re just being a race baiting race pimp! That’s you!

          • gbpuzzler

            If you use your totally irrational, illogical, upside-down definition of racist that makes no sense at all, namely of someone who believes that it was not OK for someone who sees an unfamiliar black teenager walk through a townhome complex with residents from many ethnic groups to then get into a fight with the kid and to kill him when he fights back, then yes, I guess I’m a racist.

            “You should read a couple of books by someone “like me” and this if from me, dedicated specifically to you:”

            And you believe that these books will convince me that it was OK for Zimmerman to kill Trayvon Martin?

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Retarded 4$$ nincompoop!

          • gbpuzzler

            “You have it backwards, like everything else. You’re the racist! If you turned out like you did, there’s a reason your father is unlike me.”

            So, you’re claiming that I affected the way that my father is, rather than the other way around? That’s what you said. Or do you have it backwards?

            Yes, my father is different than you. My father believes in forming a judgment about something based on finding out as much as he can about it. My father doesn’t go around calling people insulting names. My father didn’t go around getting into fights with people. My father understands that respect is something you earn, not something that you demand.

          • gbpuzzler

            People who are “like you” in what way – they share your political views? Given how screwed up your views are, I would hardly consider that an endorsement.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Bad news! You’re f’ed up. Maybe I am for allowing you to engage me knowing you’re sick.

            What I mean is people like you, people that are emotional, irrational racists that allow their prejudices block reason and the ability to be rational.

          • gbpuzzler

            So now you’re claiming that those authors are like me and not like you?

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Get help!

          • gbpuzzler

            Why do you reply to messages when you have no idea what I’m talking about? And then you claim that I’m obsessed. Maybe you should get help.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            I didn’t think anybody knew what you were talking about, particularly you.

            Don’t try to turn it around wing-nut! You’re full fledged mentally and emotionally f’ed up! You need serious help.

          • gbpuzzler

            I was giving a very straightforward response to something in one of your posts. If you couldn’t understand what I was referring to, that shows that you have a problem, not that I do.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            There’s nothing straightforward about anything you say. You lie, twist, insinuate, project, conflate, speculate, presume, assume and you do it all absent facts, pretending what you say helps your case. Your case was lost a long time ago. You should learn to accept the actual facts of the case, a case that never had a chance because its premise was wrong, wrong headed and based on hate instead of truth.

          • gbpuzzler

            The case ended up being based on racism, on trying to convince the jury and the public that a black teenager with no criminal record or school record of violent behavior was a violent thug who was able to swoop in and beat up a man who had martial arts training, had worked as a bouncer, and weighed 40 pounds more than the teenager.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Loser 4$$ nincompoop!

          • doesntevenmatter

            Yes they did stupid, that’s why he was acquitted.

          • gbpuzzler

            The defense didn’t have to prove anything. It was up to the prosecution to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. It was up to the prosecution to explain what the charges meant and how Zimmerman’s actions fit those charges. Instead, they left the jury hanging. They couldn’t find Zimmerman guilty of manslaughter because they didn’t understand what it meant and exactly what was required for Zimmerman to be guilty of it. They also seem to have assumed that Martin being on top of Zimmerman made the case for self-defense, even though that wasn’t necessarily the case.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            No life!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Says the guy searching through comments I made 2 months ago at 3:48 am while I’m sleeping and not thinking about him.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            No!

          • Libertarian Soldier = My Bitch

            Yes!

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Now you’re my bitch, my slut, my personal property. Now you have my name! You’re going to have to stop acting like an 9 year old, now. You represent me, your Daddy, your pimp, your retailer! Be a good bitch and tell me about your “intellect” about how you’re someone’s, Griz2000 slave master! Tell me how you love being my bitch, my whore and how you love taking it at any end, the more the merrier, for my benefit! Go out with your fat 4$$ and bring me my issue! You love me and you want my approval so get out there and bring me back your well used 4$$ and throat for my benefit! You’re a good bitch! My bitch! Nobody else can claim you because I own you and you took my name!

          • Libertarian Soldier = My Bitch

            Who’s griz2000 slavemaster? Look at my name.

            You’re my bitch.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Exactly! Now you’re mine! That’s the last guy that owned you! Now you’re my bitch! You want to be my wife. You took my name like you did the last guy who owned your fat 4$$! That doesn’t make you my wife, except here, unless someone wants to borrow your 4$$. Then I want a kickback! Fat back, kickback! That’s funny!

          • Libertarian Soldier = My Bitch

            You’re my bitch. Griz was my punching bag till he fucked off from the internet. Now you’re my punching bag. Neither of you faggots ever owned me. You’re my entertainment. You think I changed my name because you made me mad or got some sort of upper hand? Nah man, I did it to fuck with you because you’re soft as table butter and easy to manipulate.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            What did you do with your 6.5 bull$#!+ points? You took them down? Coward!

          • Libertarian Soldier = My Bitch

            I didn’t take anything down retard.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Where’d they go?

          • Libertarian Soldier = My Bitch

            I don’t know. I didn’t take them down.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Seriously? You’re going to play stupid? I don’t remember what you used to call yourself when the other guy owned you, before, so you’re you’re going to play stupid? Really? You know who used to own you “forever” before slammed your 4$$ and made you my bitch! You can’t even come up with anything original besides =My Bitch after I already made you and claimed you as my bitch!

            Did you think that anybody doesn’t know you’re so, let’s say 4$$$lammed that you have to take my name to try to save face? You don’t know that’s because you’re so ignorant, so resistant to being educated that you think you’re in a debate and your learning disability means you’re competing in a debate?

            This is not a debate. If it was you would have lost before you begun because of the facts, the law and the predetermined outcome, the verdict.

            So, forever is over for you, huh! I erased the 4$$$lamming you got from him from your memory, forever! That’s sweet!

            You’re welcome!

          • Libertarian Soldier = My Bitch

            wow, you’re an incredibly butthurt bitch.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Irrelevant, like evey other weak, non-responsive excuse for an argument. You’re so stupid you don’t know that you’re not only not debating but if you were, you’d be losing your 4$$!

            What’s next, ignorant 4$$#0l3? Does that make me guilty of murder? No! I rest my case, ignorant fcuk!

          • Libertarian Soldier = My Bitch

            Projecting while I’m laughing at you.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You give yourself way too much credit. Must have the wold record for participation medals! You think you garner some kind of consideration. I just answer the ignorant fcuks that address me. You have no kind of importance; you’re just up next, like a whore in a brothel, you’re simply something I use to sharpen my thinking, and in your case, dull it and throw away.

          • Libertarian Soldier = My Bitch

            damn dude, you keep giving my posts multiple responses. You’re so whipped, you keep showing that my comments are important to you while screeching that they aren’t important! lol

          • gbpuzzler

            There is NO PROOF that Zimmerman’s nose was broken, since he never had it x-rayed and there is nothing to clearly indicate that it was swollen or tender other than on the actual evening of the shooting. There is also no reason to believe that TM pounded GZ’s head on the pavement AT ALL.

          • doesntevenmatter

            There is no proof it wasn’t broken either.

          • gbpuzzler

            Don’t you think that Zimmerman realized that an x-ray confirming a broken nose would tend to strengthen his self-defense claim, at least somewhat, and an x-ray showing no broken nose would tend to weaken it? While it is true that we can’t tell for sure, this seems to be a case where absence of evidence is evidence of absence. I believe that Zimmerman’s decision not to get an x-ray of his nose shows that, regardless of what he said, he realized that his nose was probably not broken.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Don’t you ever get real?

          • gbpuzzler

            Don’t you?

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Non-responsive! Irrelevant! Get real! I am real! You’re a caricature! Get real!

          • gbpuzzler

            Screams the caricature.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Ignorant nincompoop!

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Except photos!

          • gbpuzzler

            There was some swelling in the photo that was taken on someone’s cell phone when he was sitting in the police car. But photos and videos taken even a few hours later show NO clear swelling, nor any real indication that his nose was particularly painful or tender. So, I would say that the photos show a minor injury, but probably should not lead us to believe that his nose was broken.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Excuses! Inconsistent with facts! Irrelevant excuses!

          • gbpuzzler

            As I pointed out earlier, the x-rays that could prove or disprove the claim that his nose was broken do not exist, because Zimmerman chose not to get them. While we probably will never know for sure, it is reasonable to draw certain conclusions from the fact that he made this choice.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            We know! We know for sure! those of you that are in denial, allow me to explain this in a way that even you might be able to understand:

            It doesn’t matter. You’re not a lawyer, not a doctor, nothing. That’s you!

            To make this perfectly clear for all you haters that want g zimmerman the type of hater you are, let’s pretend for a minute that g zimmerman is white. Now let’s pretend he’s a white democrat, on his way to a Klan meeting, since that’s what you think, anyway. Let’s throw in some racial slurs that were actully made by martin but let’s pretend they were made by zimmerman. Let’s pretend zimmerman called martin the n word.

            I’m certain you’re feeling that. After all you’re haters and that’s your general demeanor; that’s how you want to see zimmerman.

            Not a bit of that matters at the point when martin is seen and heard straddling zimmerman, zimmerman screaming like a girl, being stifled and smothered, threatened and his head being banged on the ground and you not being the doctors or lawyers you purport yourselves to be, can’t say whether zimmerman feared for his life but a jury believes he did and that his fear of death or great bodily harm was reasonable.

            Except your playing lawyer, doctor, forensic expert, when we already had those at trial, the verdict still has to be not guilty, acquitted. That’s the law and you don’t have to get over it but damn, I mean DAMN!!! Get over it!

          • gbpuzzler

            Let me make this perfectly clear to you. Zimmerman shot Martin and what he called him before he did so is irrelevant except to the extent that it serves to explain motive or frame or mind.

            And nobody saw who was screaming, heard Martin threatening Zimmerman, or saw Zimmerman being stifled, smothered, or having his head banged into the ground. The only so-called evidence that we have for any of these things are Zimmerman’s words, despite all the efforts of his lawyers to convince the jury that this is what happened. And I don’t need to play doctor, lawyer or forensic expert to see any of these things, I just need to pay attention to what was actually said.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Let me explain, again: even if we were to imagine zmmerman was white man, a racist, on his way to a Klan meeting and yelling racial slurs at martin, that only mitigates martin’s own intent. In the real world, that doesn’t erase the intent of the actual perpetrator. martin, who was in the act of a crime.

            Intent is only relevant in your mind.

            All bets are off once martin meets justice. You’re arguments continue to be irrelevant.

          • gbpuzzler

            The issue is not who was more of a racist. That wasn’t one of the issues being litigated. And no matter what racist slurs either one used while on the phone with a third party, or even yelled at each other, it would have resulted in no litigation at all without a crime of violence having been committed.

            And the fact is, Zimmerman intentionally shot and killed Martin. And no matter how you try to spin it, it is unlikely that Martin would have involved himself in a fight with Zimmerman if Zimmerman hadn’t decided to confront him, and even less likely that Zimmerman was, at any time, in danger of suffering life-threatening injuries at Martin’s hands.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Hey! Here’s an idea: When you’re a guest in somebody else’s community, how about not thinking of somebody else who does pay to be there as an actual resident, not referring to them in a racial slur and taking your 4$$ to where you’re going?

            How about that? How about going where you set out to go and not turning on the neighborhood watchman, not pounding his head into the ground, not telling him to shut up, not smothering him with your hands, not pummeling him about the head and shoulders?

            How about that? I’m fairly tired of you people victim shaming and perpetrator supporting based on race, based on a racist, ingrate, thug! I’m thinking of the next black kid that thinks he’s invincible, who has no regard for somebody when he’s somebody’s visitor but thinks he should confront and attack that resident.

            You people are dishonest. You repeat, over and over the same failed objections. They have been answered again and again but your race and emotion based learning disabilities keep you from the understanding a jury that wanted to convict him did not.

            You people are bad for America because you believe against any credible belief that your insignificant little objection changes the complexion of a settled case, a case that has already given your little pieces of obscure, irrelevance in a sea of evidence and believe against hope and reason that this will change something, somebody’s mind or a verdict you can’t change, either!

            That hasn’t worked. Try something new. Find some piece of evidence, real evidence, real, applicable evidence, something relevant that might change someone’s mind instead of droning on about nothing, based on nothing except your own race based, prejudiced opinions that just don’t count for anything!

            There’s another idiot that believes this is a debate. It’s not! For me it’s about a futile exercise in and attempt at educating people with emotionally, racially based, learning disabilities.

            It’s not a debate! If it was, you’d have lost when you began because it is settled. You just won’t learn and you repeatedly use the same exact objections to reality and the law, believing you might change the verdict or the minds of people without your specific disability.

            How about this: Why don’t you go out and teach young people, including young black men courtesy, respect, how to think of people they encounter, of whatever race, not as threats but as other people? How about you teach kids manners? How about not to use comments like, “creepy 4$$ cracker”? How about thinking, thinking first, thinking, “I’m someone else’s guest and I should act accordingly”? How about teaching kids not to do what martin did? How about getting over this crap about martin having a right to be somewhere. Factually, neither martin registered with the gated community management, even as a guest.

            There are no words to explain the number of times I’ve heard or read the bull$#!+ statement that he ‘was just trying to go home’! That’s bull$#!+! Plain and simple, that’s all it is. T martin was a thug and a bad actor expelled and not for the first time from his school and could not be trusted to be home, with his uncle, in Miami Gardens. If he’d been a good kid, his uncle wouldn’t have had to send him to accompany his father with his girlfriend, for the week they were there.

            If t martin was a good kid, he wouldn’t have a goldmine grill, wouldn’t have had pictures with weapons on his FB page shooting gang signs. If he were a good kid, he wouldn’t have been sent to live, by the mother, with the uncle because she couldn’t supervise him. If he were a good kid, he wouldn’t have been suspended from the school when he lived with the mother and wouldn’t have had a reputation for being aggressive and violent in his schools.

            You can’t use the propaganda you’ve used against g zimmerman who’s life has been turned upside down if you want to apply pictures of martin that were over 3 years old and didn’t truly depict the thug he was. You can’t take a racial slur made by a documented, violent, aggressive individual and make absurd assertions that maybe martin was attacked. That mus be rejected wholly on its face. That wasn’t martin and that’s not the demeanor of martin from the last two people to have contact with martin. That is a dishonest narrative based on conjecture, based on lies.

            One of these guys called the cops. One of these guys answered in the affirmative with the police and there is no evidence, none, that controverts that claim no matter how much you want to assert it based on nothing but what you will it to be.

            You can never, will never change my mind or change the verdict based on the bull$#!+, unsubstantiated claims you make over and over. You waste you life and time which could be better served teaching the young prospective martins manners, respect, courtesy! How about that? How about respect for your elders? We didn’t have a lot of these issues when we were teaching our kids. My kids don’t attack people because they’re annoyed! When you’re on somebody else’s property, not your own and you’re a guest, you don’t turn on the resident! You don’t think of or describe them with racist terms! My kids don’t because they, not t martin are good kids and are good adults.

            You people are f’ed up. There’s something wrong with your processes when you repeatedly misrepresent the facts with adulterated, colored anecdotal evidence that not only doesn’t add anything, ex-post facto but didn’t ad a thing de facto, during the trial. Asked and answered! You have the right to ask again but it won’t change the complexion of the case if it didn’t turn it with people better equipped to deal with it than you.

            So, I await an announcement of your workshop on teaching kids how to be good citizens, not entitled acting, disrespectful ingrates on somebody else’s common areas and paid property!

          • gbpuzzler

            “Hey! Here’s an idea: When you’re a guest in somebody else’s community, how about not thinking of somebody else who does pay to be there as an actual resident, not referring to them in a racial slur and just continue taking your 4$$ to where you’re going?”

            If there’s a creepy guy following me for no apparent reason, and he won’t explain why even when I ask him, how am I supposed to know that he he is a resident of the community? And what does it matter what I call him when talking on the phone to someone else, when he has his car windows rolled up and won’t hear me anyway? And why would I be faulted for not taking my 4$$ to where I’m going when the creepy guy was the one who prevented me from getting there?

            “How about going where you set out to go and not turning on the neighborhood watchman, not pounding his head into the ground, not telling him to shut up, not smothering him with your hands, not pummeling him about the head and shoulders?”

            zimmy was only the “neighborhood watchman” by appointing himself to do it. Nobody else consented to that appointment, he never identified himself to Martin as such, and Martin never did any of the things that you described in this quote.

            ” I’m fairly tired of you people victim shaming and perpetrator supporting based on race, based on a racist, ingrate, thug! I’m thinking of the next black kid that thinks he’s invincible, who has no regard for somebody when he’s somebody’s visitor but thinks he should confront and attack that resident.”

            And I’m tired of you people making up lies to make a dead teenager look like a thug, in order to make your hero’s actions seem justified. There is no evidence that Martin decided to confront zimmy in any way other than verbally. There is no evidence that Martin decided to attack zimmy.

            ” Find some piece of evidence, real evidence, real, applicable evidence, something relevant that might change someone’s mind instead of droning on about nothing, based on nothing except your own race based, prejudiced opinions that just don’t count for anything!”

            I have pointed out several potentially relevant bits of evidence. You have done nothing except to repeat the same old lies, slurs, and meaningless insults of the racist ZImmerman acolytes, hurl insults, and claim that the result of the trial proves that Martin brutally attacked Zimmerman and what Zimmerman did was right. It doesn’t, and it wasn’t.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Really? You’re a guest of a resident, in a gated community, you don’t think that’s perhaps a guy who lives here, a guy that might, at least complain to the HOA or managers if you attack him? You’re going to cop a racist attitude? That’s really what needs to be addressed. You’re a guest! Why don’t you understand that? Why play dumb and call him a “creepy guy” when that’s not the frame of thought>

            “Creepy 4$$ cracker”! Got that? “Creepy 4$$ cracker!” Not creepy guy! Not someone you don’t know what he wants! He’s never seen you! You’re a guest!

            While I’m certain your dishonesty will, again, prevent you from understanding this, I’ll explain it, anyway.

            If one of my kids had a guest in my back yard, whether it’s a common area or not, he’s unescorted, he’d better not call me a creepy 4$$ anything! He’d better not give me an attitude, as if I don’t have a right to inquire. He’d better not confront me! George Zimmerman called the police because there’d been a rash of crime on his gated community and he noted an unescorted stranger on it. Don’t you dare continue to comment off the subject about the common area in a gated community or whether martin had a ‘right to be there’. That’s off the point.

            If my son or daughter, any member of my family leaves anybody unescorted on my grounds, I’m going to check it out, period. Don’t say it’s different. It’s not.

            If I were to get any attitude from a friend or acquaintance of one of my family, he’s going to get it from me. Visitors in my home know, because my relatives respect me, to let a visitor, in my home, on my grounds, where I pay to dwell, what time it is and he knows that if I get grief from anybody about any of his guests that I will make an unfriendly visit on him about it. Therefor, his friends and acquaintances know not to think of me as the creepy anything when they visit and not to disrespect, confront, defy and certainly not to attack anybody that does live here.

            Don’t keep trying to deliberately misunderstand the point! That’s the point and if you don’t get it, you’re trying not to get it. You have been!

            You have no evidence! You have your own biased conjecture! That’s all you have. You can’t even call a man by his name because you’re so biased, so racist, so prejudiced! You need to think about your mental health because it’s bad. You refuse to think reasonably and to accept fact and law. You refuse to accept simple reasonable concepts because you don’t want to understand, because you’re obstinately obnoxious and belligerent toward a man of standing on his own grounds and you support a dis-proven, unsubstantiated, fallacious, racist narrative and you continue to attempt to advance it

            You need help! You need to get over it. You stack up your pile of word turds and someone knocks them down so you just repeat it, as if this time, this moment in time, somebody will agree with your skewed, flawed logic, somebody will believe you and maybe up-vote your crazy, obsession!

            You need help! You need somebody to care about you enough to set you straight, to keep you away from the tin foil-hat and the computer.

            Get help!

          • gbpuzzler

            ” You’re a guest of a resident, in a gated community, you don’t think that’s perhaps a guy who lives here, a guy that might, at least complain to the HOA or managers if you attack him? You’re going to cop a racist attitude? That’s really what needs to be addressed.”

            At the moment in question, Martin saw zimmy as someone who might harm him. That took priority over the possibility that he might complain to the HOA or managers.

            And the words that you keep making a big deal about were said to a friend, over the phone, not to zimmy, and with the expectation (correct, as far as we know) that zimmy wouldn’t hear them, since he was in a truck with the windows rolled up.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You know, that bull$#!+ you make up in your imagination doesn’t make thuggy any kind of fearful, just angry!

            Thuggy got himself killed! Period! End of story! If you don’t believe me, check out the verdict of a case that had no business going to court.

          • gbpuzzler

            Trayvon Martin ran away. That indicates that he was probably fearful. Fibsy Killerman killed him. Period. End of story.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Psycho! You can’t just make $#!+ up to form your own narrative. Time for testimony is over and you weren’t even there. There is no evidence of this crap you make up and present as if it was fact.

            You’re insane!

          • gbpuzzler

            I was talking about testimony that was presented at the trial, so yes, there is evidence for it. And I don’t believe that someone as screwed up and irrational as you is qualified to evaluate my sanity or whether I am a racist.

          • gbpuzzler

            “You can’t just make $#!+ up to form your own narrative.”

            As opposed to using crap that other people just made up to form your own narrative, like you do?

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Not reading your insanity anymore! Won’t feed your sickness!

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Make up some more $#!+! That’s all you’re good for. You call me a racist! You’re probably white. You probably, because you’re a racist think I am too. You think my kids are white, not on their mother’s or their father’s side, dumb 4$$!

            You make faulty assumptions based on your own faulty logic, actually lack of logic, based on your own prejudicial beliefs.

            That’s why my kids kids don’t think it’s OK to racially profile a resident on his own grounds and would never dare call him a “creepy 4$$ cracker”, because they were raised well and all I can do is wonder whether your father did such aq crappy job of raising you or you’re just a racist psycho and no matter what your father did, that’s just how you turned out.

            Either way, there’s something wrong with you.

            It should be the end of the story buty you racist 4$$#0L3s won’t let it go!

            So, stop “helping us”. You make it harder for instances of real discrimination and real racism, real oppression!

            Thank you not at all for what you think is helpful! It’s not!

          • gbpuzzler

            Zimmerman is the one who engaged in racial profiling. The defense actually admitted it indirectly, during the trial, but tried to make it seem justified. They took testimony from a young woman whose house had been entered and items stolen from it by two young back men while she stayed upstairs . The crime had been solved, and neither of the young men was Trayvon Martin. Yet this was presented as an appropriate reason for Zimmerman to have been suspicious of Martin. That’s called racial profiling!

            And I suppose that neither you or your kids ever, during a conversation with a friend, made derogatory comments about someone who wouldn’t have been able to hear you at the time – a stranger, an acquaintance, even an authority figure? If you claim that, I don’t believe you. The trash comments you have made about Martin prove otherwise.

            Martin had no way of knowing that the creepy stranger following him was a resident “on his own grounds”. You act as though this alone was an appropriate justification for shooting him, even though Zimmerman never heard him say it.

            My father did a great job of raising me, apparently much better than your father did of raising you. At least I haven’t been repeating vile filthy lies, stories that have no basis in fact and which are known to be false, about a dead kid.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You’re a liar and a psychotic

          • gbpuzzler

            You’re right about one thing. I don’t believe that you’re black. If you were, I doubt that you’d be so indifferent to the unnecessary and unwarranted killing of a black teenager with no record of violent behavior, calling him a thug and his shooting justice, while showing an exaggerated concern for the violent bully who killed him. And it’s not likely that you would adopt “anyone who expresses even the slightest doubt that everything that George Zimmerman claimed about the incident in which he shot Trayvon Martin is completely and entirely true, or who expresses even the slightest doubt that everything that Zimmerman did that evening was absolutely the right thing to do” as your apparent working definition of racism.

            Just like I don’t believe that you’ve really attended law school because you misuse common legal terms and claim that Zimmerman’s acquittal proves that Martin was brutally beating him and banging his head against the pavement.

            And just out of curiosity, since you claim that you don’t think that highly of Zimmerman, why is it that you find it an unforgivable sin to express even the slightest doubt about the absolute truthfulness of his story(ies) about the Trayvon Martin shooting incident, or to even breathe that the things that Zimmerman did weren’t 100% the absolutely correct things to do?

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Irrational nincompoop!

          • gbpuzzler

            “What do you think it fits, doofus? What a stupid question. It fits the verdict, nincompoop!”

            That’s not entirely the case either. There was plenty of evidence to prove the prosecution’s case. Their failures were in not fighting to get their side across, not putting a narrative together that refuted the defense’s most important claims, and in not giving a good explanation to the jury about what the charges entailed and how the crime in question would fit.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            No. Repeating the same ignorant, irrelevant propaganda isn’t going to convince anybody. It’s just futher intrenches you in your insane, irrational beliefs.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You don’t want to believe I’m black because you’re a racist 4$$#0L3! Here’s something: Look back through all of my posts on disqus. You’ll find that I make some reference to at least not being white and I love it when you racists call me a “racist” because I don’t agree with you white, racist, KKK inventing democrats!

          • gbpuzzler

            While I can believe that you might belong to a “non-white” ethnic group, I don’t believe that you are black. It just doesn’t fit in with many of the things that you say. Just like you’ve claimed a law school background in several points, and that doesn’t fit in with some of the things that you say in your posts, either.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You’re just arguing to argue. There’s something wrong with you, so I don’t really care what you think. I’m actually surprised that you gave that much, as big and 4$$#0L3 racist as you are when it shouldn’t matter whether I’m white, black or a ‘”non-white” ethnic group”, what matters is that the democrat party, white racists are hijacking ethnicity for political power.

            The fact that you’re so f’ed up that you’ll inject your own faulty logic into settled matter, try to kill the messenger who tells you when you’re wrong is what’s wrong with you.

            I meant it when I said you should read, “Please Stop Helping Us: How Liberals Make It Harder for Blacks to Succeed”, an important book by Jason L. Riley.

            You people, white people, primarily democrats, have taken on a nefarious, duplicitous task of hiding in the shadows, no longer lynching but shaming. This is a lot higher than you. This is the party cult of democrats. You’re one of their dolts. You’re somewhere between the racists that believe that black people aren’t good enough and massage your ego by thinking you’re helping out blacks (and “non-white ethnic groups”) by taking their side when they’re being manipulated by the government, its party, its propaganda ministry (the media) and its mindless zombies that parrot their narratives (that’s you), some believing in their confused, obfuscated hearts of hearts that their doing the right thing. That’s not you. You’re a hater. You have nothing but ego involved. You actually believe the hype. You believe you’re better than the other whites and the so called minorities (I mean “non-white ethnic groups”).

            The one thing I don’t believe in of Riley’s is that you people are liberal. You are not! “Liberal” implies open-mindedness, free thinking, accepting of others’ beliefs and ideas. You are certainly not that! You people are the most repressive, regressive, ignorant, intolerant bigots alive. You and your beaten KKK have replaced the plantation with the urban plantation of mental warfare where you beat us down with beliefs that you’re here to help. You’re not!

            Ronald Reagan said, “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, “I’m with the government and I’m here to help.” That’s you, your people, your racist government, your racist party cult and your racist propaganda ministry. Most of you don’t even know you’re racists when you blindly pimp race. You believe you’re helping out the less fortunate, those that start off with a disability. Being black or “non-white ethnic groups” is not a disability and your personal, narcissistic agenda to be the better white over other whites, blacks and ‘other non-white ethnic groups” is offensive on its face.

            You are in it for you. You believe you’re better than everybody because you argue incessantly, off the point, maligning the messenger and the message when you are wrong from front to back, no matter what small irrelevant points you make. They don’t add up to your racist, narcissistic, ego-maniacal, arrogance. You’re a hater trying to prop yourself up with the destruction of someone else. Tryvan Martin is a tool for you to massage your ego while your haughty superiority complex flexes its butt muscles.

            You might be the other kind of racist with a belief that blacks are superior to whites but that’s not you, either. Most of those got their lunch money taken from them by a black kid, got slapped in the head, called “white boy”, weren’t picked for sports didn’t take anybody to the dance and couldn’t dance, anyway. That might be you. Did you decide that you’d suck up to black people, buy rap records, turn them up in your parents’ car, blowing out their speakers? Did you go right out and campaign for Jesse Jackson? I’m interested in just what turned you into a racist.

            You people go one of two ways. You believe that blacks are superior and take sides or you believe that whites are superior and believe it’s you’re responsibility to “help” blacks and “non-white ethnic groups” to be even more superior than those other types of racists. You think you’re helping. You don’t even know you’re a racist. You believe the demcrat narrative that so called minorities are disadvantaged by skin color and since you’re better, with “white privilege”, you are able to help. You people have done so much damage, on a mass psychological level, while you promote divisiveness in the country, you’ve set us back over half a century and you’ve done it in a few years. You should be patting yourselves on the back for a job well done because that’s the play of the democrat party cult. That’s the end game. You’re a tool, a tool in their shed.

            As for your remarks about my misuse of legal terms, you wouldn’t know. You don’t even get the concepts because you’re too busy arguing against fact and law. When I said you need help, you should be in the same line as Rachel Dozeal. She’s got a leg up on you because she knows what she’s doing. She knows and consciously acts in her duplicity. You hide it.

          • gbpuzzler

            You’re making a lot of assumptions that are not based on anything that I’ve said in my comments here and that I’m not really interested in discussing with you. And you’re getting into a topic that I’m not really interested in discussing on this site. This site was about the shooting case in which George Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon Martin. If you want to get into racial or economic policy issues, go find yourself a different website.

            And by the way, I see nothing wrong or incongruous about being concerned about complaints by black people that they are more likely to be looked on with suspicious without good reason, more likely to be assumed to be thugs, more likely to killed based on low regard for their lives or assumptions about what they did or are likely to do, without these concerns having to be connected to any particular views about economic policies.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            There aren’t any rational explanations for your race pimping, baseless, unsubstantiated claims. There’s nothing to any of it and above all the evidence all fits. Making $#!+ up shows how you can’t be objective. You can’t stay on point and you have to rely on deliberate misunderstanding of what is and what has been said. You’re f’ed up.

          • gbpuzzler

            “The evidence all fits” what? It sure doesn’t all fit any of the multiple versions of Zimmerman’s story. And repeating vile lies about Trayvon Martin shows that you can’t stay objective. And you aren’t exactly setting a good example when it comes to staying on point.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Hate spewing nincompoop!

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Mis-educated nincompoop!

          • gbpuzzler

            “”Creepy 4$$ cracker”! Got that? “Creepy 4$$ cracker!” Not creepy guy! Not someone you don’t know what he wants! He’s never seen you! You’re a guest!”

            And this person has been following you around for no apparent reason, and wouldn’t explain why when asked. Is this how you would expect someone to treat the guest of a fellow resident?

            It’s really strange that you make such a big deal of these words, spoken on the phone to a friend when the person being described was unable to hear, and you totally ignore some of the more important parts of Rachel Jeantel’s testimony. The fact that he ran away from Zimmerman after saying those words, The fact that he had no intention of getting into a fight. The fact that the last words she heard him saying before the call dropped were “Get off, get off!”, implying that Zimmerman may have grabbed him or in some other way started a physical confrontation.

            “George Zimmerman called the police because there’d been a rash of crime on his gated community and he noted an unescorted stranger on it.”

            A rash of crime – as in one home robbery and half a dozen calls from Zimmerman of suspicious people walking or driving in the neighborhood?

            “If I were to get any attitude from a friend or acquaintance of one of my family, he’s going to get it from me. Visitors in my home know, because my relatives respect me, to let a visitor, in my home, on my grounds, where I pay to dwell, what time it is and he knows that if I get grief from anybody about any of his guests that I will make an unfriendly visit on him about it. ”

            Are you also going to shoot them if there attitude doesn’t improve sufficiently to meet your standards?

            Trayvon Martin wasn’t showing Zimmerman attitude. He was making comments while talking on the phone to a friend. Just like Zimmerman was making comments about Martin while talking on the phone to the police dispatcher.

            And it’s wasn’t up to Zimmerman to decide what visitors other residents were allowed to have and whether those visitors were allowed to be on the common grounds. The rights of other residents should have been equal to Zimmerman’s. Get it?

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Dis-informed nincompoop!

          • gbpuzzler

            Your word “dis-informed” that you loved so much is a good description of yourself! You choose to believe and repeat vile lies repeated by a bunch of liars when actual information is available.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You forgot “nincompoop”! So, “no, you” is your answer to everything, once you’ve shown no credibility! Fantastic! The other goon just mimics me, too. Funny how you radcist 4$$#0L35 do the same thing, deflecting, projecting; you’re just slightly more sneaky about it but no more effective.

            You’re coming from the 3rd grade and you claim to have a psych degree! Outstanding!

          • gbpuzzler

            “”Creepy 4$$ cracker”! Got that? “Creepy 4$$ cracker!” Not creepy guy! Not someone you don’t know what he wants! He’s never seen you! You’re a guest!”

            Well, if Zimmerman had never seen Trayvon Martin, then Martin had never seen Zimmerman either. So how would he know that he was a resident or what he wanted?

            “If I were to get any attitude from a friend or acquaintance of one of my family, he’s going to get it from me. Visitors in my home know, because my relatives respect me, to let a visitor, in my home, on my grounds, where I pay to dwell, what time it is and he knows that if I get grief from anybody about any of his guests that I will make an unfriendly visit on him about it. Therefor, his friends and acquaintances know not to think of me as the creepy anything when they visit and not to disrespect, confront, defy and certainly not to attack anybody that does live here.”

            With the big deal that you made about what Martin said, you act as though that alone was reason to shoot and kill him. Even if Martin had said it out loud to his face, instead of over the phone to a friend when Zimmerman wouldn’t even hear him, it would come nowhere near being a good reason to shoot him! So actually, it isn’t relevant.

            And if a neighbor or their guests gets an unfriendly visit from you in which you rant and rave as much as you are doing about Martin’s comments, because they made comment about you to someone else, then very likely they would think of you as a creepy something-or-other, although they might be too afraid of you to say so to your face.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            The epitome of an irrelevant rant!

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Deliberately obtuse!

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Racist nincompoop!

          • gbpuzzler

            “There’s another idiot that believes this is a debate. It’s not! For me it’s about a futile exercise in and attempt at educating people with emotionally, racially based, learning disabilities.”

            To you “educating” seems to mean insulting anyone who disagrees with you and telling them that they’re stupid or learning disabled, repeating old tired lies about the shooting victim, and claiming that the verdict proves that you’re right because it couldn’t possibly have been wrong. That’s not a good way to convince anyone.

            “Factually, neither martin registered with the gated community management, even as a guest.”

            And you know this how? Have you ever seen a copy of the guest registration ledger? Have you ever read a statement or heard trial testimony from anyone who actually has seen a copy of the guest registration ledger?

            “T martin was a thug and a bad actor expelled and not for the first time from his school and could not be trusted to be home, with his uncle, in Miami Gardens.”

            Trayvon Martin had never been expelled from school.

            “If t martin was a good kid, he wouldn’t have a goldmine grill, wouldn’t have had pictures with weapons on his FB page shooting gang signs.”

            Trayvon Martin did not have a goldmine grill at the time of his death. Martin had not put these pictures on his FB page, they were put up after his death by racist Zimmerman acolytes trying to making Trayvon look like a thug.
            “You can’t take a racial slur made by a documented, violent, aggressive individual and make absurd assertions that maybe martin was attacked.”

            Trayvon Martin had no history of being violent or agressive. That was zimmy.

            “That wasn’t martin and that’s not the demeanor of martin from the last two people to have contact with martin.”

            And who were the last two people? zimmy has lied about many hings, there is no reason to believe what he said just because he said it. Rachel Jeantel portrayed Trayvon Martin as being worried or afraid of zimmy, of running to get away from him and having had no intention of getting into a fight. Or do you mean the store clerk at the 7-11, who had a totally unremarkable, unmemorable, non-violent interaction with Martin?

            And when it comes to teaching kids, maybe you should teach kids not to follow someone with a loaded gun just because you believe that he’s walking in the wrong place, not to shoot someone when you start a fight with someone and he tries to fight back, and not to write vile lies about someone who’s dead.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Yes! Educating! You insult incessantly and you feel insulted when your fantasies turn out to be just that, fantasies based on your own learning disability that is factually emotional and race based! Prove that wrong! You argue off the point.

            George Zimmerman was the most hated man in America because of racists like you and your propaganda ministry that had him tried and convicted with the same irrational claims you make.

            The federal government sent in the state’s big guns to try to strong-arm an unethical guilty verdict. Jurors were “liking” crap like, ‘justice for tryvon’. Everybody, including wing-nuts like you were trying to convict him without any evidence whatsoever to suggest anything but what the verdict turned out to be.

            If you feel insulted. You need some insult therapy because you’re out of reality! You have no relationship whatsoever with reality and you need help to shake this destructive obsession, this addiction to irrationality, to incessantly argue against fact against a settled case in which jurors were so prejudiced that they admitted that they ‘wanted to convict George Zimmerman of something.’

            You and they are haters and the only difference between them and you is they had a responsibility to get it right, no matter what. You have no responsibility and you have only a single minded goal to get somebody to agree with you that your fantasy is real. Bad news! It’s not! You’re still wrong.

            The state and the propaganda ministry (the media) had Zimmerman tried and convicted, made him out to be a white racist, neither of which was true.

            As for whether the martins were residents or registered guests, go to the first interview with the complex. they had no idea who the martins were but refused to give rental documents the Tracy Martin’s “girlfriend”, “fiancee’” or whatever she was called on what occasion. You argue off the point hoping that some point will give your fantasy credibility. It doesn’t. You just keep arguing off the point to argue.

            Here’s a fact. You’re an 4$$#0L3! Period, plain and simple. You won’t call a man by his name, either first or last. You call him “zimmy”, as if he’s somehting less than a man. You call martin by his first name, as if you’re intimate with him. Did you know him? Do you know zimmerman, I mean zimmy? You’re and 4$$#0L3. You’re personally involved with the perpetrator. You cal him a victim. He’s not a victim and he was a thug!

            You’re a liar by saying that martin had no history of violence. Why do you think he was kicked out of school, had to go with his father on his booty call, couldn’t be trusted to stay at home during the daytime, when he wasn’t in school? don’t say that’s not a fact! It is! Stop arguing off the point because you’re 4$$damaged over being put straight.

            You refuse to accept facts that have resulted in a verdict, from an illegal, racist, political prosecution that didn’t stand the test of charging by a grand jury, that couldn’t withstand the charging by the local DA.

            Look who’s talking about lying? Martin was never expelled from school? OK! Got records? Prove it! You want to make this about semantics? Why was martin not home at his uncle’s house, where his mom sent him to live, in Miami Gardens and was instead on his father’s booty call’s couch? Answer that!

            Just because you say that ‘”zimmy” lied about many things’ doesn’t make it so. So have you! You lie to yourself.

            Tell me about what an upstanding citizen thuggy was. Tell me about how he was at his father’s booty call instead of school because he was on vacation or that he was at his new “home”, another lie. Tell me about the concoction he’d gone to 7 Eleven to get. Tell me about what a winning attitude thuggy had when he called “zimmy” a “creepy 4$$ cracker”. Did he really mean he was crackiing 4$$es? Make something up, like you’re known to do!

            Aren’t you the guy that likes to say “there’s no evidence”? Overwhelming evidence! Thuggy was a thug. Zimmy was resident, a neighborhood watch guy watching his neighborhood and you want to make something wrong with that. You’re wrong! The facts, the evidence and the testimony, even after the other 4$$#0L3s that testified changed their testimony, it was still clearly justifiable homicide, in self defense!

            Get over it! Live with it! Accept it! Believe it! Get help!

          • gbpuzzler

            “If you feel insulted. You need some insult therapy because you’re out of reality!”

            I’ve never heard of insult therapy. What is it, something you invented? Does it consist of repeatedly insulting someone while denying that you are insulting them?

            “You won’t call a man by his name, either first or last. You call him “zimmy”, as if he’s somehting less than a man. You call martin by his first name, as if you’re intimate with him.”

            And my calling Trayvon Martin by his first name changes whether an argument is true or false? Give me a break. And as for my nickname for Zimmerman, you had repeatedly refused to show either Trayvon Martin or his father the respect of capitalizing their names, so I figured that turnabout was fair play. And by the way, writing “t martin” does not distinguish between the two, since the father’s first name is Tracy.

            ” You’re personally involved with the perpetrator. You cal him a victim. He’s not a victim and he was a thug!”

            The encounter in question resulted in one person being shot to death and the other getting a few minor injuries. The person who was shot to death is the victim. Is that really so hard for you to accept? As for who was a thug, Martin had no reliably reported history of violence. Zimmerman had been arrested for pushing an undercover cop and had been fired from a job as a bouncer when a young woman was injured as the result of Zimmerman throwing her. So please explain to me why Martin should be characterized as a thug and Zimmerman shouldn’t.

            “You’re a liar by saying that martin had no history of violence. Why do you think he was kicked out of school, had to go with his father on his booty call, couldn’t be trusted to stay at home during the daytime, when he wasn’t in school? don’t say that’s not a fact! It is!”

            He was suspended from school for writing on a locker with a felt tip pen and for having a baggie containing traces of marijuana in his backpack. I have never claimed that he did nothing wrong. However, it was a 10-day suspension, not an expulsion, and neither offense involved violence.

            “Martin was never expelled from school? OK! Got records? Prove it! You want to make this about semantics? Why was martin not home at his uncle’s house, where his mom sent him to live, in Miami Gardens and was instead on his father’s booty call’s couch? Answer that!”

            Do you have records to prove that he was? It is not just a matter of semantics. A 10-day suspension is not a permanent expulsion.

            “Just because you say that ‘”zimmy” lied about many things’ doesn’t make it so. So have you! You lie to yourself.”

            I have pointed out several examples of Zimmerman’s lies. For instance, in the “reenactment”, he claimed that he got out of his car to look for an address, while the tape of his police call reveals that he had not been asked for an address at that point in time and that he answered in the affirmative when asked whether he was “following”.

            “Tell me about the concoction he’d gone to 7 Eleven to get.”

            The “concoction” that he went to get was a watermelon-flavored drink. He also got a package of Skittles. Nothing more than that.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Thuggy got himself killed. His actions precipitated his demise and nothing you say changes that. Nothing changes the verdict. Nothing changes anything and your irrational race pimping only divides reasonable people from the hate based narrative you people drive!

          • gbpuzzler

            Wrong, Fibsy KIllerman’s actions precipitated Trayvon Martin’s demise. Once Killerman decided to get out of his car and go looking for Martin, there may have been nothing that Martin could have done to prevent the outcome.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            No! Not wrong! Factually, you are wrong! It’s been established that thug martin’s own actions precipitated his demise. It’s been litigated and proven that george zimmerman was accosted, attacked and that death or great bodily harm was imminent or being accomplished.

            That is the fact! That is the verdict and all the irrtional, unsubstantiated disinformation you so liberally crap in the form of word turds will not change those facts or that verdict.

            I’m right and I can prove it. “Not guilty!” “Acquitted! All you have is a pile of baseless, unsubstantiated word turds and incessant misstatements meant to spread subterfuge.

            I’m right! I can prove it. You’re wrong and you haven’t done a thing but advance a racist, divisive opinion based on nothing but your own wish for it to be so. Doesn’t make it so; never will!

          • gbpuzzler

            Again, all the “Not Guilty” verdict proves is that the information that the jury received was not adequate to let them decide that Fibsy Killerman was guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt, based on the legal criteria given for the crimes. It proves that guilt was not adequately shown, It does not prove anything about what Trayvon Martin did or didn’t do. That is a fact, and your claims to the contrary are irrational and unwarranted.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Actually, wrong again! Jeez! You want to read crap into everything. You’re just bat$#!+ crazy! There’s nothing else that can be gleaned from your unaccountable bull$#!+ you squeeze from your 4$$, in lieu of a brain!

            You’re even agreeing with me by accident when you’re trying to be wrong. Factually, there was insufficient evidence not only to convict but to charge but they did it anyway. There was sufficient evidence to acquit when equal protection was withheld by this defendant, when the victim of a hate crime was forced to defend and to prove himself not guilty, under the presumption of guilt instead of the other way around.

            You’re backwards. The injustice in this case was done against the victim, the defendant who was not treated equally under the law because the race pimps were attempt to follow the false narrative of social justice, which is really injustice and unequal treatment.

            You 4$$#0L3s are crazy!

          • gbpuzzler

            There was plenty of evidence to charge, and the prosecution might have been able to convict if they’d done a better job.

            “There was sufficient evidence to acquit when equal protection was withheld by this defendant…”

            Yes, Trayvon Martin was denied his protections by the defendant, George Zimmerman. He did not have the opportunity to defend himself for his real or imaginary alleged crimes.

            “when the victim of a hate crime was forced to defend and to prove himself not guilty, under the presumption of guilt instead of the other way around.”

            The victim of the crime was dead after being shot through the heart. “Presumption of innocence” did apply in the trial of George Zimmerman, and the fact that he was found Not Guilty, because he was not proved guilty proves it. And he was no victim.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Psycho. You lie to yourself and everybody else.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Insufferable nincompoop!

          • gbpuzzler

            What, did you just learn a new word? What do you think you are proving by calling me a nincompoop 20 times, except to show that you have nothing substantive to say?

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Colossal
            nincompoop!

          • gbpuzzler

            “George Zimmerman was the most hated man in America because of racists like you and your propaganda ministry that had him tried and convicted with the same irrational claims you make.”

            Oh, and of course, his own actions had nothing to do with it. What a crock. The shooting was 100% preventable and Fibsy Killerman was the one who could have prevented it.

            “Thuggy was a thug. Zimmy was resident, a neighborhood watch guy watching his neighborhood and you want to make something wrong with that.”

            Trayvon Martin was a high school student with a few discipline problems but no record of violence. Fibsy Killerman had a history of violent behavior. The point of Neighborhood Watch is to be attentive to problems and to call the police if you see something suspicious. Not to try to confront the person, and especially not to do so while carrying a loaded gun. Fibsy Killerman was following Neighborhood Watch guidelines when he first called the police, but as soon as he left his car he was doing the opposite of what a neighborhood watch guy should have been doing.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Nincompoop!

          • gbpuzzler

            “My kids don’t attack people because they’re annoyed!”

            You mean, the way that zimmy attacked Trayvon Martin?

          • Libertarian Soldier

            No! See! You have an issue with cognitive dissonance. It’s been determined that thuggy attacked zimmy and zimmy defended himself. That’s not just me. That’s the verdict.

            Your unsubstantiated assertion is irrational. While the government, its party, its propaganda ministry and its mindless goons parrot a racist narrative based on divisive, faulty logic, if any logic at all, it’s been proven that thuggy attacked zimmy and zimmy defended himself.

            So, no, zimmy used reasonable, deadly force in self defense against a racist attack, a hate crime.

            You’re welcome!

            You should look into rational behavior therapy. It strips away emotion and encourages rational thinking, rational, factual self talk that is based in fact, not emotions like racism. It would allow you to look at the attack of the perpetrator, martin, whom I’ll call thuggy if you’ll call call him by his first name and zimmerman, whom you call out of his name and to whom you make baseless, unsubstantiated, irrational, unfounded accusations while defaming and calling out of his name, his sir name, “zimmy”. How’s that GeeBee, oh puzzled one?

            The fact is, you couldn’t be objective, factual or rational if you tried and you don’t try.

            Get help

          • gbpuzzler

            No, it’s been determined that you believe that Trayvon Martin attacked Fibsy Killerman even though there is no evidence that this is what happened, only Killerman and his acolytes claiming that it is. The verdict doesn’t prove or disprove it either. It just proves that the jurors didn’t have enough evidence to prove the opposite, or didn’t understand what was needed to reach a guilty verdict.

            About that rational behavior therapy, maybe you should follow your own advice. You certainly need something to help you think rationally.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            nincompoop

          • gbpuzzler

            “Hey! Here’s an idea: When you’re a guest in somebody else’s community, how about not thinking of somebody else who does pay to be there as an actual resident, not referring to them in a racial slur and just continue taking your 4$$ to where you’re going?

            How about that? How about going where you set out to go and not turning on the neighborhood watchman, not pounding his head into the ground, not telling him to shut up, not smothering him with your hands, not pummeling him about the head and shoulders?”

            Most teenagers use offensive language sometimes. If your kids are high school age or older, it is highly likely that they have done so, regardless of what you claim that you have taught them. (In fact, given the way that you behave on this comment board, I would just about bet that they have done so, because what you do is a stronger message than what you tell them to do.) Most teenagers do not initiate unprovoked attacks on the people that they insult. Get over it.

            On the other hand, here are some of the things that are known about what happened in the incident that led to Zimmerman shooting Trayvon Martin. Note that this is based on actual evidence:

            Trayvon Martin ran away from George Zimmerman. (Evidence; Zimmerman’s police phone call, Zimmmerman’s police statements, Rachel Jeantel’s testimony.)

            Trayvon Martin continued his phone call with Jeantel. He did not hang up in order to be prepared to attack Zimmerman. (Evidence: Jeantel’s testimony, phone records that list the time the call terminated.)

            When the two met up, Martin spoke to Zimmerman, asking “What are you following me for?” or “What’s your problem?” depending on whose version you believe. He did not immediately attack Zimmerman. (Evidence: Jeantel’s testimony, Zimmerman’s statements.)

            Martin did not prepare himself for a fight by obtaining something that he could use as a weapon. (Evidence: Neither Zimmerman nor any trial witness describes Martin obtaining, having, or using a weapon during the altercation.)

            Martin was heard to say “Get off, get off” after apparently dropping his phone. (Jeantel’s testimony.)

            So, the evidence shows a teenager who runs away from a person who may try to harm him, continues speaking on the phone to a friend, does not prepare himself to fight by ending the call or obtaining a potential weapon, and when he meets up with the person who has been following him, speaks to him rather than attacking him. Gee, that really sounds like a vicious person who wants to get into a fight, doesn’t it? NOT!

          • gbpuzzler

            ” I’m fairly tired of you people victim shaming and perpetrator supporting based on race, based on a racist, ingrate, thug!”

            Yes, people like you who support Zimmerman, a man with a history of violence, who followed a black teenager based on racial profiling, and killed him for no good reason. That makes him a perpetrator and a thug.

            “I’m thinking of the next black kid that thinks he’s invincible, who has no regard for somebody when he’s somebody’s visitor but thinks he should confront and attack that resident.”

            And I’m thinking of the next black kid, who gets painted as being a thug by people making up and repeating a bunch of lies, who get looked on with suspicion and perhaps is killed because he’s black.

            “You people are bad for America because you believe against any credible belief that your insignificant little objection changes the complexion of a settled case, a case that has already given your little pieces of obscure subterfuge and irrelevance in a sea of evidence and believe against hope and reason that this will change something, somebody’s mind or a verdict you can’t change, either!”

            People like you are the ones who are bad for America. You further incite racial suspicions and hatreds by repeating lies about a black teenager who was killed, falsely claiming that he violently assaulted someone who was being “responsible”, and making up an repeating stories that make him out to be a violent thug. Zimmerman was a violent bully and a liar, not a good guy who was looking out for his neighbors!

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You’re a dumb 4$$! It’s not about supporting Zimmerman. It’s about supporting right and wrong! You want it to be about race. You want it to be about “profiling”. Self defense is the best reason for killing somebody and you fail to make your case, over and over by injecting conjecture, spin and lies. You lost most of your credibility when you started making $#!+ up!

          • gbpuzzler

            Supporting right and wrong? So it is right to follow someone with a loaded gun, when that person is just walking through the neighborhood, and not hurting anyone or breaking into houses, to start an altercation, and to kill the other person when he fights back and you are slightly injured as a result?

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Ding, ding, ding! Wow! For a second you stopped being a loser. You said it doesn’t matter who’s more racist because there’s only one in this situation!

            Second, you went all downhill from there!

            Wasting your life and my time! Again, get help before it’s too late!

          • gbpuzzler

            Yes, I did say that it doesn’t matter who was more racist. The rest of your sentence doesn’t match what I said. zimmy certainly was at least mostly responsible, and perhaps totally responsible, for turning it into a crime. And he was responsible for causing the incident to result in a death when it didn’t need to.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Unadulterated bull$#!+

          • gbpuzzler

            “Not a bit of that matters at the point when martin is seen and heard straddling zimmerman, zimmerman who is screaming like a girl, being stifled and smothered, threatened and his head being banged on the ground and you not being the doctors or lawyers you purport yourselves to be, can’t say whether zimmerman feared for his life but a jury believes he did and that his fear of death or great bodily harm was reasonable.

            Now what? What’s next? That kicks the $#!+ out of your whole argument.”

            No, because from reports of what happened, it is likely that many of the jurors did not, in fact, believe those things. At best, it is unclear whether they did. They were legally forced to deliver a not guilty verdict because they didn’t have the explanation of what manslaughter would have entailed, and they needed to understand that definition in order to deliver a guilty verdict.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Psychotic nincompoop!

          • Libertarian Soldier

            No, the X-Rays you want to disprove the evidence that doesn’t even need to be proven. The nose looks broken. I’ve seen broken noses but the nose doesn’t have to be broken. That doesn’t prove a thing. There is overwhelming evidence to prove deadly force reasonable and not enough proof that deadly force was not. Give it a rest. Give yourself a mental health break!.

            Get over it!

          • gbpuzzler

            Maybe on one distorted photo, taken at an angle and not straight ahead, the nose looks broken. On later photos and videos, it doesn’t. So that isn’t proof.

            What is this other “overwhelming evidence” you mentioned? It seems to be based on, first, Zimmerman’s own claims – and he has lied about plenty of other things. Secondly, the testimony of ONE witness – and if you examine his evidence closely, he had no real knowledge of whether or not anyone was being hit hard or even at all. He didn’t actually see any blows being landed or see Zimmerman’s face or body well even to see whether there were any injuries. All other related statements and testimony (the paramedics, the PA, Dr. Rao) indicate that Zimmerman had minor injuries, so where is your “overwhelming evidence” of deadly force, or even an expectation of imminent deadly force?

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Irrelevant!

          • gbpuzzler

            You claimed that there is “overwhelming evidence” to prove deadly force reasonable. So where is this evidence that you claim? This is far from being irrelevant to what you said.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You can find that overwhelming evidence right after the prosecution’s opening statement and the “Not Guilty” verdict. Wake the f’ up!

          • gbpuzzler

            The defense’s opening statement came right after the prosecution’s opening statement. That isn’t evidence, it’s the defense saying what they hope to show. Neither is the verdict. That’s six people saying that that they didn’t get enough information to issue a guilty verdict.

          • gbpuzzler

            And I don’t suppose that you would care to break your precedent by naming anything specific? As far as I can see, there was a lot of evidence in there that doesn’t back up a claim of deadly force being reasonable.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Breaking precedent, like repeating the same irrelevant non-facts repeatedly? I’m fairly tired of your empty accusations.

            If you “can see, there was a lot of evidence in there that doesn’t back up a claim of deadly force being reasonable”, you will never be able to ‘see” anything objectively. Funny, 6 jurors did!

          • gbpuzzler

            6 jurors saw that they couldn’t reach a “guilty” verdict based on the definition of the law that was presented to them.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Yep! To be clear that was the evidence against the law. You’ve made my point!

          • gbpuzzler

            And I’m tired of you making the same claims over and over, saying that the evidence backs them up, and not being willing to describe any specific evidence at all that backs up your claims.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            So? So what! you’re tired? Jeez! Are you tired of me explaining the law and the evidence to you, over and over again? I am! You’ve been swimming in evidence. You just believe, beyond all rationality that you’ve defeated it with adding your own conjecture to it. That’s not evidence.

            Here, for the countless time, this has been litigated. I’ve given you highlights that make the case. You give conjecture, subjective beliefs, innuendo and again, irrelevant statement that when true don’t mean anything and aren’t enough to impeach evidence testimony and statements, but you’re willing accept changed stories by witnesses that said something completely different, in order to support your own conjecture.

            Do you fight parking tickets on the basis of race?

          • gbpuzzler

            I’m tired of you “explaining” false legal explanations and non-evidence to me over and over again. What “evidence” have you been explaining to me? The “not guilty” verdict, which isn’t evidence at all? The claim that Martin initiated a violent assault against Zimmerman and repeatedly banged Zimmerman’s head against the pavement, which was claimed by Zimmerman, but there was actually nothing in the testimony backing that up? Your claiming that Martin calling Zimmerman a “creepy-ass cracka” proves that he violently assaulted Zimmerman a few minutes later? Basically, you are taking a few pieces of evidence that you claim to be definitive, and statements by Zimmerman that may not be true, and ignoring a lot of evidence that tells a different story and claiming that anything that you don’t want to pay attention to is irrelevant. You are not a definitive arbiter of what someone should consider the “highlights” of the trial, and you loudly proclaim, over and over, that anything that you don’t want to pay attention to should be ignored.

            What “changed stories” of witnesses are you talking about? Dr. Valerie Rao and LIndzey Folgate (the PA who examined Zimmerman), who testified that the injuries on Zimmerman’s head were minor and that he indicated that he did not have symptoms of a concussion? The witnesses that saw Zimmerman on top of Martin immediately after the shooting? The fact is, the biggest case of someone changing stories is Zimmerman, who repeatedly made changes in his stories, but who could not be held accountable for those changes because he did not testify.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            OK! How about you explain the “false legal claims”. I may not be quoting them out of the book and I’m not a full time practitioner, but I’ve handled criminal cases where I live and for the most part, with little deviation, other than numbers, the codes and the procedure read very much the same. If you say you live in California, that’s most of the code with which I’ve educated and practice.

            So, without reservation, since you say you hold a PhD in psychology and since I believe most psychologists and sociologist are lazy and broken, I’m going to say that you wouldn’t even know if I did explain something falsely. Still I’m going to go one further and tell you to stop trying to practice law because you’re too f’ed up and someone might believe you.

            You’re f’ed up. You’re consumed by this and you can’t be objective. You’re a racist without a clue. You have no white man to go after. You’re placing all your prejudicial, racial animus on this man, George Zimmerman. He’s not white and unfortunate beneficiary of your racist conspiracy is worse served by it.

            Repeatedly, over and over, you inject small nuances of deception to support your obscene narrative. Who said, pavement, for instance? Who said, resident? Oh, that was you! You’re so full of bull$#!+, you need to get help.

          • gbpuzzler

            “OK! How about you explain the “false legal claims”.”

            The most obvious ones are your claims that:

            1) Trayvon Martin, by being killed by George Zimmerman was getting “justice”. I’m pretty sure that it isn’t “trying to practice law” for me to point out that no jurisdiction in the United States has the death penalty for causing someone to get minor injuries during an altercation, especially without benefit of judge or trial.

            2) Claiming that the “Not Guilty” verdict proves that Trayvon Martin violently attacked George Zimmerman, when anyone knows that it only means that the jury wasn’t able to put together a narrative of what happened with a legal definition of “guilt beyond a reasonable doubt”.

            “You’re placing all your prejudicial, racial animus on this man, George Zimmerman. He’s not white and unfortunate beneficiary of your racist conspiracy is worse served by it.”

            I really don’t care about Zimmerman’s racial identity. He and his backers seem to claim whatever racial/ethnic identity for him that is convenient.

            “Repeatedly, over and over, you inject small nuances of deception to support your obscene narrative. Who said, pavement, for instance? Who said, resident? Oh, that was you!”

            You seem to share Zimmerman’s propensity for changing your claims to fit what is convenient at the time. I have recently had discussions with you in which you, not I, made a big deal about the fact that Zimmerman was a resident and Martin wasn’t and about how he was supposedly being so disrespectful to a resident and apparently deserved I-don’t-know what because of it.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            1. Not a legal term! It’s a concept and in my opinion, according to the law, the evidence and the verdict, it is my sincerest, most heartfelt belief that Treyvon martin got justice, instant Karma, whatever you wan to call it. That’s not a legal term, GeeBeey
            2. There are a few different standards you refuse to accept. Factually, George Zimmerman was forced to prove his innocence beyond a reasonable doubt, a standard he should not. All he should have had to do is for the local authorities decline to charge and they did!

            NBC put out altered accounts of George Zimmerman’s 911 calls. This is why you temperamental, melodramatic, drama queen suckers started your racist heads the wrong way. You have emotionally based, prejudiced learning disabilities and you can’t turn them around even when it’s been proved to you over and over and the law which never should have prosecuted fails their unconstitutional prosecution.

            As for your defense of your animus toward Zimmerman, you’re full of $#!+! You call martin by his first name, like he’s your buddy and you malign and dehumanize the man who feared for his life, under the physical assault and battery, reasonably believing his life was in danger or that he faced great bodily harm and that that threat was imminent and/or being accomplished and causing him to use deadly force, not going beyond that standard.

            In order to prove the murder you incessantly allege, you must prove intent. That could never have been established.

            The jury could not only find something to convict Zimmerman of, by the instructions they were given, even though most of them said they wanted to convict him of something, none voted for conviction and they said they believed that George Zimmerman acted reasonably when he fired 1 shot.

            Get over it.

          • gbpuzzler

            “Factually, George Zimmerman was forced to prove his innocence beyond a reasonable doubt, a standard he should not.”

            BS. It is true that, according to Florida law, the prosecution needed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that self-defense was NOT a sufficient justification for what Zimmerman did. He was not forced to prove his innocence beyond a reasonable doubt, and in fact he did not.

            “NBC put out altered accounts of George Zimmerman’s 911 calls. This is why you temperamental, melodramatic, drama queen suckers started your racist heads the wrong way”

            Another BS meme of the Zimmerman acolytes. I had heard the whole tape before NBC played the edited version, and I had seen the “reenactment”, and I already realized that his account was probably BS. So had a lot of other people. Trayvon Martin’s parents’ lawyer already had people demonstrating before NBC played the tape. The edited tape wasn’t that big a factor in anything. Get over it.

            “You call martin by his first name, like he’s your buddy and you malign and dehumanize the man who feared for his life, under the physical assault and battery, reasonably believing his life was in danger or that he faced great bodily harm and that that threat was imminent and/or being accomplished and causing him to use deadly force, not going beyond that standard.”

            Trayvon Martin was the person who rightfully feared for his life. zimmy knew before he went off looking for Martin that he had a loaded gun. He would never have left his car otherwise, and I very much doubt that he ever faced great bodily harm during the incident. He knew the whole time that he could shoot Martin. He had no reason to fear for his life.

            As for my supposedly maligning zimmy, you malign and dehumanize Martin. If you want me to stop using nicknames for zimmy, you stop maligning and using nicknames for nickname. And show him the minimal respect of capitalizing the first letter of his last name.

            “In order to prove the murder you incessantly allege, you must prove intent. That could never have been established.”

            It is true that, even with the prosecution doing a better job, intent could have been tricky. However, manslaughter should have been straightforward to show.

            “The jury could not only find something to convict Zimmerman of, by the instructions they were given, even though most of them said they wanted to convict him of something, none voted for conviction and they said they believed that George Zimmerman acted reasonably when he fired 1 shot.”

            You are wrong about that last part. Maybe one of the jurors said that in an interview. Several of the other jurors sent a note saying that she didn’t speak for them.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            On that I disagree! As for your assertions, as far as you know! Your assertions are ill founded.

          • gbpuzzler

            Well, that’s your concern. Absent a good reason why, there’s no reason for me to change my mind.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Nonsense! A full frontal lobotomy is the exact change you need to reverse the effects of whatever has happened to you.

          • gbpuzzler

            You mean, like learning to try to figure out what happened, instead of accepting everything that a bunch of racist troglodytes tell me?

          • Libertarian Soldier

            No! Just no! I’m not going to explain it again and again! Get over it!

          • gbpuzzler

            “The jury could not only find something to convict Zimmerman of, by the instructions they were given, even though most of them said they wanted to convict him of something, none voted for conviction…”

            Another misleading claim! In interviews, jurors reported that on the first ballot, two of the six voted for Second Degree Murder and two voted for Manslaughter. Of course, on the final ballot, they turned in a unanimous verdict, because that was what was required of them.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Whether you’re making $#!+ up, again, whether you actually believe it or it actually happened that way, the least likely way, it doesn’t matter. That’s not misleading. It’s fact based and is backed up by the fact, that’s fact, not fantasy, that Zimmerman was acquitted, outright, not found guilty of a lesser included offense by a jury that wanted to convict him!

            You continue to live in an alternate reality. That’s not how it turned out. If I had done as you do, allowed the propaganda ministry (the media) and the rest of you racists commiserate, I’d have been led to believe what you believe. Actually, until I researched it, I thought zimmerman was exactly who you think he is. One of us found reality. Guess what? It’s not you!

          • gbpuzzler

            Your so-called research must have consisted of reading websites written by a bunch of racist troglodytes. You are living in an alternate reality if you believe that what is posted there is accurate information. Why don’t you try looking at more accurate sources of information?

            For instance, why don’t you try looking at the crime scene photos that show where objects dropped by both Martin and Zimmerman ended up? That show that they ended up scattered over a fairly large area, most of them not close to either the T or a sidewalk, and show that Trayvon Martin’s body did not end up close to either the T or a sidewalk? Why don’t you try listening the Zimmerman’s call to the police and comparing it to what he says and does in the so-called reenactment video? Notice that he claims to have been looking for an address.when he got out of his truck. Yet in the original phone call, he had not been asked for an address at that point, he never provides an address, and he admitted that he was following the person who turned out to be Trayvon Martin. Notice that in the actual phone call, Zimmerman does not arrange to meet the police, at a particular location, as requested by the dispatcher, but asks to have the police call him when they arrive. Why don’t you compare the timelines and notice that the end of the phone call between Trayvon Martin and Rachel Jeantel was at least 1-2 minutes later than the end of Zimmerman’s police phone call? But Zimmerman does not suggest that Martin was still on the phone at the moment of their encounter.

            Why don’t you try simulating what Zimmerman says happened by lying on your back, with an object about the size of the gun under your hip, having a 200-pound person straddle you, and see whether you can easily reach and pull the “gun” from underneath you?

            Then maybe we can reconsider which one of us “found reality”.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Wrong, still! You seem to assume that just because you’re a racist, everybody is. That’s not how it works in the real world. You’re just pathological as well as pathetic, as a human, as sanity goes. Should I say, “slips”? Yeah! Slips; sanity slips from you. Your psychopathology keeps you stuck in upside down, backwards racistlania! Pitty!

          • gbpuzzler

            With your upside-down, black is white, nonsensical definition, you are the last person who I would consult or believe in trying to figure out whether there is anything wrong with me.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Where to start? What in the name of absent mental hygiene and all that makes sense, does that run on, long, one sentence, insane post even mean?

            If you’re going to use my terms, either quote me or find something original. That’s plagiarism with a $#!+ sandwich chaser.

            To be fair to me, what’s wrong with you isn’t something for which has to be looked. Ask anyone.

          • gbpuzzler

            I used those terms before you did. So if there’s “plagiarism”, you’re the one who committed it. But I wouldn’t even dignify your comments by calling them that.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            No!

          • gbpuzzler

            Oh, by the way, what “research” did you actually do that led to your nonsensical beliefs?

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Ihave little investment in advancing a fallacious agenda of race and hate. That’s your job. Your job is to find the most obscure, nonsensical, subjective, inaccurate non-fact available, add 5.5 gallons of racist attitude, 1.9 quarts of lies and made up $#!+, 1.5 liters of conjecture and you have it: your racist narrative!

            No! No research! I just watched the hearings. Looked up some things on the web. See, I did the same thing you did. I don’t call it research and I don’t waste the better part of my life living in the angry hateful racist propaganda that was mis-reported. I’m not you! I’m not dis-informed and I would never admit to actually researching a settled matter. Any opinions you get from me are based on fact and law, not whatever you call what you’ve been doing for almost 3 years. One of us has a life. Since you haven’t been able to glean facts from fiction for the best part of 3 years when it’s been told to you, over and over, here’s a hint: It’s not you!

            If you were to write a book, admitting it’d have to be knocked down on the fact check portion, it’d be named “nonsensical beliefs”! Projection, transference, deflection! You’re an ironic compilation of denial, learning disability and cynicism. You’re incapable of integrating reality and facts into your obsessive-compulsive, delusional, broken sense of reality.

            Get help!

          • gbpuzzler

            “Ihave little investment in advancing a fallacious agenda of race and hate. ”

            Then why do you keep doing it with your lies about Trayvon Martin being a thug?

            “No! No research! I just watched the hearings. Looked up some things on the web. See, I did the same thing you did. I don’t call it research and I don’t waste the better part of my life living in the angry hateful racist propaganda that was mis-reported.”

            In your post above, you said “Until I researched it, I thought zimmerman (sic) was exactly who you think he is”. So, before, you were calling it research. Now, apparently, you’re claiming it’s not?

            So it seems that, you at first had the feeling that Zimmerman wasn’t using good judgment in leaving his truck to follow Trayvon Martin, and may have even been looking for trouble and a little trigger happy. Then you found a web site that contained a lot of vile, slanderous lies claiming that Martin was a thug. So you thought “Wow, this is great! I’d rather believe this!” And apparently, you decided that this was better than looking up actual evidence, like police phone calls, Zimmerman’s police interviews, witness interviews, or descriptions of the physical evidence. So, did it ever occur to you that some websites are not especially credible? What web site did you go to – was it Conservative Treehouse, that cesspool of vile lies about Trayvon Martin and his family?

            “I’m not dis-informed and I would never admit to actually researching a settled matter.”

            Clearly, you are dis-informed, since you continue to spew a bunch of lies that you found on a website and ignore actual information. Apparently, you think that continuing to spew lies about what you call a “settled matter” is better than actually looking up a few facts.

            “Any opinions you get from me are based on fact and law…”

            Clearly, they’re not, since they’re based on lies that you read on a website.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Not lies! That’s it? You’re going to play more semantics? Weak! Really weak! That’s all you’re about, twisting the words to fit what you want them to be. It occurs to me that you’re not especially credible. Tired of whipping your 4$$ arguing off the point. Back to reality!

            You incessantly argue off the point. You want to believe that George Zimmerman did something illegal, immoral or unethical. He did nothing approaching that. You color everything with adjectives, with adverbs and adjectival prepositions to tell your story, not the facts. If you strip all of your subjective hyperbole away, all you have is a young, ill mannered, disrespectful, angry, racist guest somewhere he wouldn’t have been except he was kicked out of school, having to accompany his father on his booty call, beating a resident on his own grounds.

            You refuse to accept the party martin played in his own demise and you demonize the one guy that did everything exactly according to law. You people argue small points, non-fact or irrelevant factoids. You have that resident using reasonable, deadly force to stop the threat of death or great bodily harm both imminent and being accomplished.

            If ever you allow yourself to understand the statutes, it’s that simple. The verdict couldn’t have come out any other way, based on the facts and the law. It’s that simple and all the hyperbolic, race pimping in the world won’t change that or change the verdict.

            If you don’t like the verdict, move to Florida and lobby the legislature to change the law so you might save the next disrespectful, ill mannered, insolent thug from himself.

          • gbpuzzler

            “You want to believe that George Zimmerman did something illegal, immoral or unethical. He did nothing approaching that. ”

            He did all three. He followed Trayvon Martin with a loaded gun even though he knew that the recommendations of Neighborhood Watch and his homeowner’s association said not to do so. He continued to try to find him even when advised by the police dispatcher not to do so. He tried to detain Martin even though he had no legal authority to do so. And he shot and killed him even though Martin posed little danger to him. That’s a pretty serious violation of the law. Then he lied in statements made to the police.

            “You color everything with adjectives, with adverbs and adjectival prepositions to tell your story, not the facts.”

            Yes, that’s the way that people write sentences. Sometimes they can get their point across better if they include adjectives, adverbs, and adjectival prepositions. What’s the problem?

            “…all you have is a young, ill mannered, disrespectful, angry, racist guest somewhere he wouldn’t have been except he was kicked out of school, having to accompany his father on his booty call, beating a resident on his own grounds.”

            Martin was young, and he was in Sanford because of his school suspension. Everything else that you claimed is either false or there is no evidence to show that it’s true. And he wasn’t beating Zimmerman.

            “You refuse to accept the party martin played in his own demise and you demonize the one guy that did everything exactly according to law.”

            That’s a joke! Zimmerman did several things that were against the law, including the shooting itself.

            “You have that resident using reasonable, deadly force to stop the threat of death or great bodily harm both imminent and being accomplished.”

            There was no threat of death or great bodily harm, and he had received only minor injuries, so death or great bodily harm was nowhere near being accomplished.

            “The verdict couldn’t have come out any other way, based on the facts and the law.”

            The verdict came out the way it did first, because the prosecution didn’t make the effort need to challenge the lies and inconsistencies in the defenses claims and second, because they didn’t explain to the jury what elements were needed for a guilty verdict to apply.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Making $#!+ up again!

          • gbpuzzler

            Yes, that’s what you were doing.

          • gbpuzzler

            “I would never admit to actually researching a settled matter. ”

            So evidently, according to you:

            Actually looking up something that may confirm or disconfirm what you are claiming = a waste of time

            Writing hundred of comments that continue to spout a narative gleaned from lying websites and insult and scream “liar” to anyone who disagrees with any part of your narrative = not a waste of time.

            “Since you haven’t been able to glean facts from fiction for the best part of 3 years when it’s been told to you, over and over,…”

            I’ve gleaned a lot more about the difference between facts and fiction in this case, before and during, and to a lesser extent after, the trial, by looking at actual information as well as websites that help me find it, than you have by repeating the same garbage.

          • gbpuzzler

            Maybe what happened was that you had already been following certain libertarian-leaning political blogs that feed your political fantasies. And when you realized that they were taking the “Zimmerman was a hero – Trayvon Martin was a thug” stance, you started to feel that you should change your views to be more consistent with those of your on-line compadres.

            But that doesn’t fully explain the vehemence with which you hold your views. You go into conniption fits saying that I am out of touch with reality, a racist, a liar, or learning disabled at the slightest hint from me that Zimmerman’s actions were less than ideal or that Trayvon Martin was not the thug that you claim.

            You claim that Trayvon Martin being killed was “justice”, equivalent to saying that he deserved to die. Although I have read similar sentiments from others long before I started reading your posts on this website, I am still shocked by this expression of hatred toward a boy who would not have been shot if Zimmerman had not decided to follow him, while he was walking to a home where he was a guest and not breaking any laws.

            You call me out for hating George Zimmerman. In truth, I find a lot to dislike about him. But I have never said that he deserved to die. So before you again claim that I am an irrational hater, you should examine your own hatred toward Trayvon Martin.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Jeez! You can use the most impertinent, made up crap in the world and try to make it fit your ignorant, fallacious narrative. This isn’t political, on my part. The government, its party and its propaganda ministry made it so. I’m guessing you’re a democrat because you’re a racist. Everything is about race, gender or sexual perversion for the racist democrat party. It’s about dope and debauchery for you guys and how you misrepresent the facts.

            Until now, I din’t think you’d admit to it being political, since race pimping, race baiting, divisive politics and finding the perfect lie is the democrat agenda.

            You know, I’m not certain why you continue to call zimmerman a hero. Zimmerman was a well meaning doofus. Now, he’s a f’ed up doofus. You guys really did a number on him. Factually, he’s a lot like you except that he was actually trying to do something good. You racist 4$$#0L3s have been trying to vilify and demonize him when he has enough challenges.

            As for martin, you can’t keep calling him a kid when he called himself a “gangsta” and acted accordingly. You defend the indefensible and call the other guy the bad guy. Typical!

            You mistake your own hatred for zimmerman with my agreement with martin himself. What you’re doing is called transference and projection. Actually, when martin’s friend asked him if he was going all the way thug, martin said no, ‘he’s straight up gangsta!’ His word! He takes himself a step further, past thug to gangsta, in his own word. That’s not hatred. What it is, no matter how unfortunate the waste of a life is, the responsibility, if he were to take any and if you race pimps would allow it, you’d know you are what you do.

            When are you going to start accepting reality when somebody calls himself a “gangsta” and a resident, where he’s not a resident but an ingrate of a guest, a disrespectful, bad mannered racist in his own right, who refers to zimmerman as a “creepy 4$$-cracker” How many times does it take for you to understand these same concepts, over and over, these emotional, unsubstantiated accusations you make of me and of zimmerman because you’re incapable of being objective and of understanding the law, after it’s been broken down for you so many ways, it’s embarrassing? Yet you come back with unintelligible rehashing of irrational argument over and over, with a sprinkling in of more fallacious accusations and conjecture.

            My point has been proven to you repeatedly. The jury, who, like you, was made to hate him actually tried to find him guilty but they, unlike you are able to accept that zimmerman did not do what he was accused of, no matter how the persecution tried to convict him, and the witnesses tailored their testimony to try to convict him. You people did all you could and you can’t get over it. You will never let your racist hatred subside.

            You should! You should get help. You’re acting as if that kid is your brother and zimmerman is the devil and that keeps you from thinking rationally. You’re just never going to get it.

          • gbpuzzler

            “You can use the most impertinent, made up crap in the world and try to make it fit your ignorant, fallacious narrative.”

            It makes a lot more sense than the totally out in left field fantasies that you’ve made up about me.

            “This isn’t political, on my part.”

            You’re lying either to others or to yourself. Given the amount of politics that you’ve injected into your comments, it clearly is political on your part.

            “Until now, I din’t think you’d admit to it being political…”

            It would be really nice if everyone would acknowledge that black boys and black men are sometimes looked upon with suspicion in this country just because they are black. And it would be really nice if we would all agree that this is unfortunate, and that we should try to correct this situation.

            And with regards to this case, it is really unfortunate that, when someone follows, shoots, and kills an unarmed black teenager who wasn’t doing any harm, some people villainize the boy by making up and repeating stories by painting him as a thug, and worse, claim that the boy deserved to be killed and paint his parents as irresponsible and uncaring, as if they deserved to have their son get killed.

            The views that people take of this case are by no means exclusively based on politics. Both views that are more pro-Martin and anti-Zimmerman and views that are more anti-Martin and pro-Zimmerman are found in various areas of the political spectrum. However, those who occupy the far right portion of the spectrum, like you, seem to be much more likely that not to be virulently pro-Zimmerman and anti- Martin and to repeat lies that paint Trayvon Martin as a thug, as you do. That may be unfortunate, but it seems to be the case.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            There you go again! That’s what it’s really about for you! You’re that racist!

          • gbpuzzler

            “You know, I’m not certain why you continue to call zimmerman a hero.”

            I never called him a hero. I called him YOUR hero, because you act as though he is. He certainly isn’t MY hero.

            “Zimmerman was a well meaning doofus. Now, he’s a f’ed up doofus.”

            You’re half right. He was an f’ed doofus before. Now he’s a slightly more f’ed up doofus. He was never a well-meaning doofus. If he was, the incident which led to him killing Trayvon Martin would never have happened. He was a bully and a liar. On the evening in question, he felt like picking on someone, and when he saw Trayvon Martin, he decided that Martin was someone on whom he could exercise his authority, and come off feeling like a hero because he would get gratitude and admiration from the cops. But gaining control over Martin, so that zimmy could detain him until the cops arrived, turned out to be more difficult than zimmy expected, so he shot him to make sure that he didn’t get away.

            Since the shooting, zimmy has learned to enjoy the limelight, even when he comes out looking like a thug as a result, and he has learned to live on money donated by acolytes who figure that all black teenaged boys are thugs and that Trayvon Martin therefore deserved to die.

            “Factually, he’s a lot like you except that he was actually trying to do something good.”

            He wasn’t trying to do something good, he was trying to make himself feel good by picking on a black teenager.

            “As for martin, you can’t keep calling him a kid when he called himself a “gangsta” and acted accordingly.”

            Most of the time, I have called him a teenager. Since he was 17 years old, this is an accurate description.

            You point to him calling himself a “gangsta” a single time, giving a single brief verbal exchange, with no idea of the context or why Trayvon Martin said it, and no discussion of any criminal or harmful actions to go along with it. You have no evidence that he ever “acted accordingly”. In fact, I believe that you are making such a big deal about him saying this because you have no other evidence to indicate that he acted like a “gangsta”. Trayvon Martin describing himself as a “gangsta” on one occasion, in a single brief exchange, doesn’t prove that he was one any more than you claiming to have been do law school proves that you actually know anything about the law.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Irrelevant! Rage on, Racist!

          • gbpuzzler

            “You defend the indefensible and call the other guy the bad guy. ”

            The indefensible? LIke following a teenager who is doing nothing wrong, not telling him why even when he asks, starting an altercation to make sure that he is still there when the police comes, and then shooting him through the heart when he fights back?

            So according to you, what did Trayvon Martin do that was equally indefensible? George Zimmerman was the bad guy.

            “You mistake your own hatred for zimmerman with my agreement with martin himself.”

            I’m not sure that there is any way to make any sense out of this sentence. In what way have you agreed with Martin?

            “What you’re doing is called transference and projection”

            Would you care to explain what it is that I am allegedly transfering and projecting? You seem to like using these psychology speak terms, probably without understanding what they really mean.

            ” Actually, when martin’s friend asked him if he was going all the way thug, martin said no, ‘he’s straight up gangsta!’ His word! He takes himself a step further, past thug to gangsta, in his own word.”

            He said that once. Do you have any evidence at all that this relates to any crime or misbehavior on his part? Or, as I suspect, do you have only those words to go by? Have you ever heard of sarcasm and cracking jokes? Rumor has it that both are common practices among teenagers.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            This is what I mean:

            “The indefensible? LIke following a teenager who is doing nothing wrong, not telling him why even when he asks, starting an altercation to make sure that he is still there when the police comes, and then shooting him through the heart when he fights back?”

            Let’s examine that:
            -”The indefensible? LIke following a teenager who is doing nothing wrong…” Zimmerman was on a call with 911 dispatch. zimmerman, a neighborhood watch head noticed a non-resident on the grounds of his gated community, answering questions of description and location. At the point when the dispatcher says they did not need him to follow, zimmerman claims he headed back to meet the police at a prearranged place. How that becomes indefensible, is in your racist paranoid, likely schizophrenic head. There is only more of your own bias and conjecture with absolutely no proof whatosever to make that claim.
            -”…not telling him why even when he asks, starting an altercation to make sure that he is still there when the police comes…”
            Again pure made up willful conjecture! Unsubstantiated! Speculative! Calls for facts not in evidence! Irrelevant!
            -”… and then shooting him through the heart when he fights back?”
            In the space of a two sentence paragraph, one of which has only two words, you’ve concocted a fairy tale based on your personal prejudices, your racist will for it to be what there is no evidence it is. Fully unsubstantiated! Your false accusation is wholly refuted by all of the evidence gathered at the scene, the forensics evidence the immediate, on the spot, eye witness evidence that fully substantiates everything zimmerman reports to the police.

            What is indefensible is the fact that has been ratified by a not guilty plea on the basis of the fact that the indefensible did occur, however, you assign that term, “indefensible” to the victim who, under the attack of someone, a non-resident, taking offense that whom he perceived as a “creepy 4$$ cracker” was following him. You’re channeling martin’s irrational, racist attitude! Careful! See what that got martin?

            The assailant, martin, unjustifiably, without any moral, legal or ethical cause, waylaid the victim, zimmerman without good reason, provocation or justification, except in his own racist head, straddled him, beat him unmercifully, about the head and shoulders, smothering him, threatening him, telling him to shut up, banging his head into the ground all the while zimmerman screamed like a young girl in a horror film because he was in horror, not knowing whether he would lose consciousness and eventually, after a time, knowing nobody was coming to help and that he might die, he, justifiably, reasonably used measured, deadly force to stop his attacker. That should have been the end of the story.

            That’s the way it happened. That is what zimmerman said when the police arrived, within minutes and that’s what the evidence showed. This media prejudiced event ruined lives. The only persons that profited from it were the parents of martin who left their so called fiancee’ and fiance’ to embark on international speaking tours, together, even in front of the United Nations and you racist 4$$#0L3s believe that you can change water into wine, make the sky green and make a case that zimmerman did anything wrong.

            How’s that working for you? I’ll give you a hint: It’s not!

            The story ended for you and for martin. You just won’t accept it.

            If you were as smart as you think you are and well, not you, you’d be able to make perfect sense of that sentence. Here’s another hint: I agree that martin was not only a thug but a self professed “gangster”!

            As for whether martin used the word ‘gangster” in reference to himself once or more is neither something you can claim nor something I have a burden to provide. Let’s see, a self professed “gangster” in a text, “gangsta” in his word, in the text and, the way I remember it on his fb page, which has since been taken down. You might find screen shots of it copied other places.

            Get help! Get over it! Get a life! Get well!

            Return America to Healing!
            End the racist hatred!
            Vote Ted Cruz!

            P.S. I’m not endorsing Ted Cruz because he’s generally the same mix as zimmerman. It just works out that way because I’m not like you. I’m not a racist, like you! I’m surprised you haven’t come that way given your prejudices and racist proclivities and propensities.

            Vote Ted Cruz!

          • gbpuzzler

            I see that you’re still pushing the same false narrative. Zimmerman followed an unfamiliar teenager, while on a call with police dispatch. Yes, he CLAIMED that “he headed back to meet the police at a prearranged place”, but he never arranged a place, and refused to arrange a place when asked to do so by the dispatcher. This is clear from listening to the tape. The call continues for over a minute after the dispatcher advises Zimmerman not to follow, and it is clear that he does not see Trayvon Martin again during that time. If he had gone straight back to his car at that point, he would have been back inside it by the time the call ended, but he wasn’t. I can’t prove exactly what he was doing or where he was going, but it wasn’t right back to his car.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Wrong, like always. You make it up as you go along.

            Vote Ted Cruz!

          • gbpuzzler

            It’s correct, and not made up at all. What I said above was totally based on the tape of Zimmerman’s call to police dispatch. You continue to repeat false claims, and ignore the actual evidence.

          • gbpuzzler

            “Your false accusation is wholly refuted by all of the evidence gathered at the scene, the forensic evidence the immediate, on the spot, eye witness evidence that fully substantiates everything zimmerman reports to the police.”

            Untrue. Much of what Zimmerman said does not fit the forensic evidence or eyewitness testimony. The evidence does not fit his claim of a brutal attack or having his head banged against the pavement. The evidence does not fit his claim about where the altercation took place. Some of the other things that he claimed were neither corroborated nor contradicted by the evidence. For instance, none of the eyewitnesses saw who started the physical altercation. Some of the things that he claimed just don’t make sense. For instance, it’s just not plausible that he just lay there, unable to do anything to defend himself, until he suddenly found himself able to pull out his gun and shoot Trayvon Martin through the heart. Your story, and Zimmerman’s, about Martin brutally attacking him, etcetera, is simply a fiction that Zimmerman made up so that he could claim self-defense. In reality, he received very slight injuries and had no sign of a concussion. And in fact, Trayvon Martin and his parents were the ones who suffered severe harm from the killing – Trayvon in the most absolute way, by having his young life unjustifiably ended, and his parents because of the loss of a beloved son.

          • gbpuzzler

            “Here’s another hint: I agree that martin was not only a thug but a self professed “gangster”!”

            You may be claiming that, but nobody else is agreeing with you, least of all Trayvon Martin, who is unable to speak for himself since he’s dead. And by the way, “gangsta” may derive from “gangster”, but it isn’t the same word. It seems to have multiple meanings, some similar to “gangster”, some not. And the reason that Trayvon Martin’s facebook page was taken down was because some of your lying, hating buddies had hacked into it and posted a bunch of garbage.

            “P.S. I’m not endorsing Ted Cruz because he’s generally the same mix as zimmerman.”

            It hadn’t really occurred to me that this might be the case. More likely he appeals to you because, like Zimmerman, he is a moron.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Get help!
            Vote Ted Cruz!

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Awe! How many times are you gong to play the dead guy can’t defend himself card? You continure to not be very fast on the uptake. You conflated zimmerman, Cruz and myself after I said there was no connection. As for morons, you surely like to denegrate people smarter, better educated, far more sane and certainly more accomplished and intelligent than yourself.

            There’s a psychiatric term for that, too but of course, you’re not a lawyer and I’m not a psych major but that’s OK, you’re not either, unless you mean psycho.

            Ted Cruz is the most intelligent, most accomplished, most qualified candidate for President! That’s a fact!
            Vote Ted Cruz!

          • gbpuzzler

            I didn’t conflate anyone, I just made an observation. I respect people who are smarter and more accomplished than me. I dislike people like you, who falsely claim to have credentials when they know little about the subject in question.

            Ted Cruz is not the only candidate with a law degree, and he’s certainly not the most accomplished or qualified candidate. There’ no chance in the world that I’ll vote for him, so give it a rest!

          • gbpuzzler

            “When are you going to start accepting reality when somebody calls himself a “gangsta” and a resident, where he’s not a resident but an ingrate of a guest, a disrespectful, bad mannered racist in his own right, who refers to zimmerman as a “creepy 4$$-cracker”"

            Now you’re insisting on bringing that up AGAIN! So he called Zimmerman a name that you don’t approve of, when Zimmerman was following him in his truck and couldn’t even hear what he said. You seem to believe that this, alone, was good reason for Zimmerman to kill him. Sorry, an insult is not legally recognized as a reason for shooting someone! You seem to want to dwell endlessly on that and the “gangsta” remark because you don’t have anything more substantive to show that Trayvon Martin had ever been violent or destructive.

            “Yet you come back with unintelligible rehashing of irrational argument over and over, with a sprinkling in of more fallacious accusations and conjecture.”

            Irrational arguments – like your arguments that Trayvon Martin must have been a violent thug because, oh my, he said some things that you don’t approve of? Fallacious accusations and conjecture – like the ones that you got from your liar websites?

            “The jury, who, like you, was made to hate him actually tried to find him guilty but they, unlike you are able to accept that zimmerman did not do what he was accused of…”

            Zimmerman got into an altercation that he could have avoided and shot an unarmed teenager. Those facts are not in doubt, and in spite of the verdict, the jury knew them to be true. If the jury hated him – and as best as I can tell from interview, some did and at least one didn’t, it is because he did those things.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You’re very slow on the uptake. I’ve said all the same things repeatedly. You change the subject with some other irrelevancy and I repeat that response, in a different way hoping you’ll get it this time. I’m going to have to insist you go downstairs and get mom to read and explain it to you because you’re just not getting it. There is nothing more to cover. You’re cycling again and again because you don’t want to understand.

            Any attempt I make at appealing to your cognitive dissonance is met with hyperbole and not just hyperbolic rhetoric but insignificant, irrelevant misdirection, as if it’s new or pertinent. It isn’t now and it wasn’t the first 20 times.

            Get mom! Get help! Get over it!

          • gbpuzzler

            Yeah, you’ve said the same lies, insults, and irrelevancies repeatedly.

            My computer is downstairs, and my Mom lives about 1500 miles away. It’s highly likely that if I showed your posts to her, she would be offended and dismayed. And the only way that I would vote for Ted Cruz is if I acquired a severe mental illness.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Reality eludes you!

            You already have severe mental illness. You just don’t know it, despite how often you must be told you do. Shoot, I tell you fairly often, yet you rage on, secure in your delusion!

            Actually, I only get into irrelevancies as you present them. It is you that lies and argues off the point, time after time with emotionally charged nothingness. If you feel insulted, perhaps you should look into whatever your believe is insulting and whether it’s not something you should address.

            Information about your mom wasn’t necessary; I’m going to take a pass on your mom and of what she should be offended and dismayed. That’s too easy and there’s likely a good reason she’s far away from you. It’s likely she’s had enough abuse regarding you already without more judgement.

            Really, I don’t care whom it is that you should get to read and explain reality to you. The fact is you need someone.

            Get help! Get over it! Move on!

            Vote Ted Cruz!

          • gbpuzzler

            You have less than zero credibility when it comes to diagnosing mental illnesses. So you might as well stop repeating it incessantly.

            You constantly get into irrelevancies, your fantasy claims about my alleged mental health issues and alleged learning issues not the least of them.

            And I moved away from my parents years ago, because of a promising job offer, not the other way around.

            You have little grasp on reality. You should follow your own advice and get someone to explain it to you.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You have less than zero credibility trying to litigate a decided case that is determined to be exactly what it is, legally, morally and ethically, even though it was handled woefully unconstitutionally, irregularly and unfairly by the government, it’s party, its propaganda ministry and its prejudiced, racist stooges. You know of whom I speak.

            As for your mental illnesses, if it walks, quacks and bird-craps like a delusional, obsessed, racist… I don’t need it to be explained to me. I’m dealing in reality, in objective reality, where the verdict matches the law and everything I’ve said and you fail to accept each of those points that make up objective reality. Get somebody to explain that to you because if there’s one thing I know more starkly than “not guilty”, it’s that you won’t get it.

            Legality and Sanity need to be restored to the republic!
            Vote Ted Cruz!

          • gbpuzzler

            There may be someone around who is better than you at explaining the pro-zimmy point of view. Your version seems to consist of claiming that I am stupid, learning-disabled, or mentally ill, based on your own delusions, spouting a bunch of lies, and screaming “unfair! unfair” without being able to give any specifics.

            It would be a sign of illogical thinking on my part if I believed the lies of someone who seems to know so little about the evidence, the people involved, and what happened during the trial (and before), but who simply spouts false claims that he heard or read from others.

            Electing Ted Cruz would be a sure way to increase illegality and insanity in this nation.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            My point of view isn’t what you think. Just because your point of view is hate doesn’t mean mine is one of support for anything except the law. Yours is biased, based on prejudice, based on hate, based on racist spewing of propaganda.

            You snivel and whine of sentiments that may exist, like hatred and racism but refuse to assign them to the individual responsible, not because of any reason based on objective reality but because that’s your racist mentality. You’re mentally ill!

            As for my own delusions and lies, as far as you know but you’re mentally challenged, unable to learn from facts, unable to accept facts, except as they fit into your own meticulously constructed non-reality.

            There’s no screaming and it’s not “screaming “unfair! unfair” without being able to give any specifics.” I’m going to be as clear as I always am and I’ll reach a level of specificity that I always do. Your mental condition won’t allow you to believe it:

            Here’s the case in a nutshell…aaaagaaaain:

            Mind you, first, that there was a trial without a Grand Jury Indictment!

            –The Police Chief refused to recommend prosecution

            –The DA in Sanford refused to charge

            –NBC edited the 911 Dispatch tape to suggest the encounter was based on race and broadcast it across the country and you racists bit

            –The pResident of the Untied States of America acted irresponsibly and fed the race pimping

            –The media misrepresented facts, the reputation of Zimmerman

            –The State’s Attorneys office folded to Federal pressure and charged without a grand jury

            –This was failure to provide equal protection. This was a politically divisive, high tech lynching

            Anywhere you go, you’ll find that under these dubious circumstances, Zimmerman’s 4th, 5th and 14th Amendment rights were violated. There was never a case.

            Then, after ward, you racists continue to besmirch an innocent man that was made to defend himself beyond a reasonable doubt. You following?

            Here’s how you tell it: “The indefensible? LIke following a teenager who is doing nothing wrong, not telling him why even when he asks, starting an altercation to make sure that he is still there when the police comes, and then shooting him through the heart when he fights back?”

            Again pure made up willful conjecture! Unsubstantiated! Speculative! Calls for facts not in evidence! Irrelevant!
            -”… and then shooting him through the heart when he fights back?”
            In the space of a two sentence paragraph, one of which has only two words, you’ve concocted a story-line, based on personal prejudices, racist will for it to be what there is no evidence of. Wholly and fully unsubstantiated! Your incessant, dishonest accusation is wholly refuted by all of the evidence gathered at the scene, the forensic evidence the immediate, on the spot, eye witness that fully substantiates everything zimmerman reports to the police withing minutes of the incident. The jury, a jury tainted by media coverage “wanted to convict him of something” without any legal reason, whatsoever.

            What is indefensible is that this has been ratified by a not guilty plea and verdict on the basis of the fact, the irrefutable fact that the indefensible did occur, however, you assign that term, “indefensible” to the victim who, under the attack of a non-resident, taking offense that whom he perceived as a “creepy 4$$ cracker” was following him. Channeling martin’s irrational, racist attitude? Careful! See what that got martin?

            The actual assailant, martin, unjustifiably, without any moral, legal or ethical cause, waylaid the victim, zimmerman without good reason, provocation or justification, except in his own racist head, straddled him, beat him unmercifully, about the head and shoulders, smothering him, threatening him, telling him to shut up (as he screamed for it to stop or for someone to rescue him), banging his head into the ground all the while zimmerman screamed like a young girl in a horror film because he was in horror, not knowing whether he would lose consciousness and eventually, after a time, knowing nobody was coming to help and that he might die, he, legally, justifiably, reasonably used measured, deadly force to stop his attacker. That should have been the end of the story.

            That’s the way it happened. That is what zimmerman said when the police arrived, within minutes and that’s what the evidence showed. This media prejudiced event ruined lives.

            Get over it! That’s the law! When someone is relentlessly beating, smothering, threatening, cursing, banging the head of another and that other is screaming for help, all that irrelevant crap leading up to it doesn’t matter. When that other person has a reasonable belief that death or great bodily harm is not only imminent but is being accomplished, reasonable deadly force is justified, period! Same basic rule of law in every state!

            Your personal belief is that there were mitigating circumstances for the assailant. That’s not the law. Reasonable is the sentiment of the day. It is unreasonable to unmercifully beat, curse, smother, threaten and bang the head of another, especially when that person begs that it stops and screams for help. All the irrational arguments, fallacious conjecture, will for it to be different is irrational. Get over it! There isn’t a single lie in there. You make $#!+ up. Those are lies. zimmerman doesn’t have to be anybody’s hero for the law to attach. You just need to stop bull$#!++ing yourself and everybody else.

            Quit lying to yourself and making me the bad guy just because I understand the law and you refuse. One of us is f’ed up. I’ll give you a hint. It’s not me! The truth is, you’re f’ing insane!

            Electing Ted Cruz would be a sure way to increase illegality and insanity in this nation.

            Vote Ted Cruz!

          • gbpuzzler

            Your “case in a nutshell” has some omissions and inaccuracies.

            First, the detective in charge of the case, Chris Serino, had recommended in favor of a manslaughter charge early on, but the police chief refused to go with his recommendation.

            Second, Trayvon Martin’s parents and their lawyer, Ben Crump, created widespread publicity of the case, leading the governor to ask the State Attorney’s office to look into the case.

            President Obama made a comment about the case after being asked about it by a reporter. It is not likely that either this or the NBC’s editing of the tape were that influential in the case, although it did give people another chance to criticize or praise the president, depending on their point of view.

            Although the case ended up being very divisive, George Zimmerman’s rights under the law were protected. He had legal representation, he was granted bail a second time after the judge discovered his deceptions, and he was allowed to switch judges two or three times.

            A grand jury is only required for First Degree Murder in Florida, and there are many other cases in which it was not utilized.

            Although he was not found guilty, George Zimmerman was by no means innocent. He shot and killed an unarmed teenager.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You keep saying that! You’re wrong!
            Get a clue!

            Cruz to Revolution!
            Vote Ted Cruz!

          • gbpuzzler

            Yes, after all, it’s sacrilegious to doubt even the slightest aspect of the zimmy acolyte/KKK claims. If a man decides to get out of his car in order to follow an unfamiliar black teenager and ends up shooting him, and he claims that the kid was brutally beating him, it just couldn’t be the case that he he was making it up. We have to believe that everything that he said was the gospel truth and that the kid must have been a dangerous thug, because his life has no value. It just couldn’t be the case that his parents didn’t believe that their son was a violent thug and pushed for an investigation, or that anyone else would try to examine the evidence and believe that it doesn’t quite fit the killer’s story. If the shooter is prosecuted, it must be because the pesky media and the pesky black president were sticking their noses in where they didn’t belong. Give me a break!

          • gbpuzzler

            “Just because your point of view is hate doesn’t mean mine is one of support for anything except the law. ”

            Your point of view is one of justifying everything that zimmy did and of hatred for Travyon Martin, including repeating of made up, lying “facts” that falsely make him out to have been a thug. How is it that you claim it’s not hatred to say that it was “justice” for him to have been killed?

            I have never called for zimmy’s death, or said that he deserved to die, despite the fact that he killed an unarmed teenager. You claim that Trayvon’s death was “justice” even though zimmy, the person that he had been in an altercation with, suffered only minor injuries.

            “The jury, a jury tainted by media coverage “wanted to convict him of something (a supposed quote provided by you)” without any legal reason, whatsoever.”

            Yes, the words “wanted to convict him of something” is a quote of words that you used, more than once. Are you now denying that you said it? And I acknowledged that, having heard all the evidence, some of the jurors thought that he should be convicted of something. In fact, a couple of the jurors had been “tainted” by having heard coverage that they believed showed that Trayvon Martin was “a bad kid”.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Didn’t even waste my time reading your racist insanity. Not guilty says it all. Deal with it or hate on!

            Justice is served, this time, even though we cannot undo the unconscionable, racist, unconstitutional damage done George Zimmerman!
            Vote Cruz-Jindal!

          • gbpuzzler

            In other words, you don’t want to have to try to explain the issue that I posed, so you pretend that you didn’t read it.

            The alleged damage done to George Zimmerman is nothing compared to the damage that Zimmerman did to Trayvon Martin and his family.

            What makes you think that Cruz would want Jindal as a running mate, if he even got the nomination, which we won’t know for quite a few months yet?

          • Libertarian Soldier

            No! I don’t want to do anything to give the impression that I want anything to do with you! You’re an irrational, racist, left wing-nut and I’m weary of you and your insanity!

            Run along, now!

            Don’t forget to vote Ted Cruz!

          • gbpuzzler

            ” I don’t want to do anything to give the impression that I want anything to do with you! ”

            On the contrary, you clearly do. If you don’t see something new of mine to reply to, you post a reply to an old comment so that you send me more insults and verbal abuse. If you really didn’t want anything to do with me, you would stop replying to my posts.

            I oppose Ted Cruz’ bid for the presidency, and plan to vote against him if he is on the ballot when I get a chance to vote. And the more that you campaign for him on this website, the more convinced I am that my decision is correct. You’re as out of touch on politics as you are on everything else.

          • gbpuzzler

            “As for my own delusions and lies, as far as you know but you’re mentally challenged, unable to learn from facts, unable to accept facts, except as they fit into your own meticulously constructed non-reality.”

            You rarely or never present me with any facts that I could learn from. And by the way, insulting people is rarely a good way to persuade people that you are right, or that you have anything for them to learn from.

            “When that other person has a reasonable belief that death or great bodily harm is not only imminent but is being accomplished, reasonable deadly force is justified, period!”

            That’s true, but there are two problems with applying that argument to this case. The first is that if Zimmerman believed that “death or great bodily harm is not only imminent but is being accomplished”, then he wasn’t being reasonable, he was being hysterical or delusional. Great bodily harm was not being accomplished. As medical personnel testified at the trial, Zimmerman received only minor injuries, and reported no symptoms of a concussion. The injuries that he received don’t point to any likelihood of death or great bodily harm being imminent. The head-banging and Zimmerman’s other claims about the altercation are fiction, invented to give himself a basis for a self-defense claim that didn’t legitimately exist.

            The second problem is that, if you believe Zimmerman’s story, he basically just lay there like a lump while Trayvon Martin was beating on him, and then decided to pull out his gun and shoot him. There is usually some requirement that an attempt be made to use less lethal means first, and according to Zimmerman’s story, he didn’t do that. His hands were clearly free to reach for and use his gun. Why couldn’t he first use them to fend off blows, to hit back, or to try to push Martin away? Why didn’t he try to roll over or kick to get Martin off of him?

            In fact, Zimmerman’s story is pretty hard to believe if you examine it closely, as well as not matching the evidence. Zimmerman had worked as a bouncer, had been taking martial arts classes for over a year, and weighed 40 pounds more than Martin. It is obvious that he took a more active role in the altercation than he claimed.

            “When someone is relentlessly beating, smothering, threatening, cursing, banging the head of another and that other is screaming for help, all that irrelevant crap leading up to it doesn’t matter.”

            There is no evidence that Martin did any of these things at all, let alone “relentlessly”.

            “Your personal belief is that there were mitigating circumstances for the assailant.”

            The evidence does not show who was the initial assailant. If a stranger grabs you, as Zimmerman may have done to Martin, than you have the right to fight back hard enough to get away. And nothing mitigates the fact that Martin was killed.

            “Quit lying to yourself and making me the bad guy just because I understand the law and you refuse.”

            You’ve shown more than once that you don’t understand the law that well. You just repeat things that you’ve read. What I hate, why I make you the “bad guy”, is that you keep repeating lying garbage to make an unarmed teenager who was killed look like a thug, to claim that he “deserved to be killed”, while glorifying the actions of the thug who shot him.

          • gbpuzzler

            Zimmerman was far from an innocent victim. He created the situation that resulted in the shooting, He went looking for Trayvon Martin. He was carrying a loaded gun and he knew that he could use it whenever he decided to.

            The fact that Trayvon Martin used a derogatory name for Zimmerman while speaking to a friend on the phone, when Zimmerman couldn’t hear what he was saying, in no way shows him to be a violent person who would attack someone without provocation.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            All done with crazy! Run along now!

            Return sanity to the White House!
            Vote Ted Cruz!

          • gbpuzzler

            Oh, are you having yourself committed so that you can have your medication adjusted?

          • gbpuzzler

            “…the witnesses tailored their testimony to try to convict him. …”

            I don’t know how much of the actual trial you saw (I watched about 80-90% of it) but of what I can recall, I remember more tailoring of testimony to support the defense than the prosecution.

            The defense attorneys were generally more aggressive in their approach, especially West, who in a few cases, got prosecution witnesses to say things more favorable to the defense. If he couldn’t do that, he would go over the same things over and over in slightly different ways, perhaps to try to get witnesses to unintentionally contradict what they said earlier, perhaps just to confuse the jury enough to get them to forget what the main point of the witness’s testimony was. The prosecution often did little to stop him or to remind jurors of those main points on redirect.

            Several of the defense witnesses gave highly tailored testimony, which the prosecution did little to challenge.

            As an example, the gunshot holes on Trayvon Martin’s hoodie and shirt don’t line up with the gunshot wound on his body. The expert witness Dr. DiMaio explained this as showing that Martin was fairly upright or leaning over Zimmerman at the moment of the shooting, with the weight of Martin’s drink pulling the hoodie down. The prosecutors did not challenge this story by suggesting other possibilities, for instance, that Zimmmerman may have been pulling on to the shirt and hoodie, or holding on to them while Martin was trying to pull away, and that the position of the two at the time of the shooting may have been quite different.

            As another example, two defense witnesses pushed the story that Zimmerman had been totally helpless to defend himself against Martin other than with his gun, even though he had taken martial arts lessons for over a year, had worked as a bouncer, and weighed 40 pounds more. Again, the prosecution did not say anything that might have cast doubts on those claims.

            Given that one would expect prosecution witnesses to say things that mostly favor the prosecution’s case and defense witnesses to say things that mostly favor the defense’s case, do you have any examples of witnesses who tailored their testimony to try to convict Zimmerman?

          • Libertarian Soldier

            I read the first two sentences of your latest irrational, spin laden, elongated distraction.

            All I can say is that makes perfect sense to you. Of course your opinion no longer counts. It’s tainted, colored, prejudiced, subjective, racist.

            Unlike you, I saw the whole trial and several parts of it several times because I DVRed it when I was on vacation.

            The defense had to treat their own as well as the persecution’s “witnesses” as hostile. They had to pry to get answers they did not want to give. It was a herculean effort for this defense to try to get the same answers from them as these people gave upon their first interviews by law enforcement. Some changed their answers.

            Worked out anyway! I stand by my statement.

            As for the rest of you rant, I’m not going to read it. You continue to waste the resources of time, cyberspace and energy, including kinetic, particularly mine.

            Support Constitutionalism; Support Equality, Equal Protection and Equal Opportunity!
            Vote Ted Cruz!

          • gbpuzzler

            Care to give an actual example of a witness?

            It sounds like you are talking about the residents who lived near where the altercation and shooting occurred. They were all technically prosecution witnesses because they were originally called by the prosecution.

            Which of the defense’s witnesses do you claim had to be treated as hostile, and had to be pried for answers? I sure didn’t see Dr. DiMaio or most of the other defense witnesses being treated as hostile by the defense.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            They were turned prosecution witnesses because the prosecution turned their testimony! Highly unethical! That’s the media’s tainting of the process, a process that should have ended at the point that the DA failed to refer to a Grand Jury and rightly failed to file charges.

            Return to Constitutional, sane government!
            Vote Ted Cruz!

          • gbpuzzler

            Several of them modified their statements long before the trial, when the police contacted them again, and before the prosecutors ever got involved in it. The attorneys have the right to call anyone they want to testify, and they chose to have these witnesses testify. It’s also the job of the attorneys to try to get testimony favoring their case at trial.

            There was legitimate reason to file charges in this case, even though the DA refused to do his duty in that respect.

            So, in what respects was the testimony of these witnesses “unethically turned” by the prosecution?

          • gbpuzzler

            How is it that you are constantly berating me for “trying to practice law”, yet you have, a number of times, inventing psychological or psychiatric diagnoses for me? You’re not a psychiatrist or clinical psychologist. Why do you believe that you are even minutely qualified to make such diagnoses?

            On the other hand, I have never claimed to have legal expertise. If I claimed to be able to provide someone with legal representation, or filed legal documents requiring the signature of an attorney, and signed my name as an attorney or record, then I would be trying to practice law. Discussing evidence in a much-publicized court case, and discussing legal terms as they apply to that court case, are not “trying to practice law”, and I will continue to claim my right to do so.

            However, making psychological or psychiatric diagnoses is practicing clinical psychology or psychiatry. Without a license, in your case.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You told me I was giving bad legal opinions. You said you’re “tired of you “explaining” false legal explanations and non-evidence to me over and over again.” I called BS. Instead, again, as always you whined about what my problem is. Non-responsive, irrelevant, again, still in how you portray me and my opinion of zimmerman. You go from “hero” to claiming I don’t think highly of zimmerman. I’m not your problem. What I think of zimmermand shouldn’t be your problem and I assure you that it’s not one of mine. How about you just let that small thing go? That might be progress. How about that? Stop putting words I didn’t say out there as if I did. Got reality?

            You add your opinions as if they were fact. You speak of zimmerman doing “…something stupid at the very best”. Your opinion; not mine! You speak of “most likely looking for trouble”. More speculation and not very charitable speculation, even if you do hate him. You can’t speak of reasonable and speak from hate.

            You wrote this: “I’m tired of you “explaining” false legal explanations and non-evidence to me over and over again.”

            In the next post I responded: ‘OK! How about you explain the “false legal claims”. ‘

            You don’t have to be a lawyer to know that what you said next was neither relevant nor responsive to the issue when you retorted:
            “Most people, pretty much all reasonable person, say that…” and I have to say, no! First, I have to concentrate to decipher what you’re saying because you’re torturing yourself so badly you write like you’re all f’ed up. I don’ know how you are around other people, speaking of other things but you’re not reasonable, so stop telling me what reasonable people say. I can’t even read it.

            Perhaps you should consult a psychiatrist. I wholeheartedly believe you should. I don’t need to be a psych major, must less a mental healthcare specialist to know from your writing that there’s something wrong with you. I have friends I’ve taken courses with that make their money in the mental health care business and I’m fairly certain they’ll say you need to see someone about it.

            The fact that you’re allowing it to play out with an audience of all different types of people, some more f’ed up than you, possibly, is 100% on you. You are so emotionally invested, unhealthily and irrationally so, that you’ve allowed it to cloud whether you can accept information without coloring it with your super subjective, racist filter.

            You need a fresh pair of eyes to look at what you write. Seriously. I told you to explain what “false legal claims” you were tired of and I got more of the “what?”

            You don’t make the sense you think you do and you make a lot of accusations, unsubstantiated accusations of me and of a guy that I surely don’t think is a hero. I’m flabbergasted, on a regular basis by the things you say and you don’t get that I find them prejudicial and not fact based. Talk to somebody.

          • gbpuzzler

            “You told me I was giving bad legal opinions. You said you’re “tired of you “explaining” false legal explanations and non-evidence to me over and over again.” I called BS. Instead, again, as always you whined about what my problem is.”

            I answered your question when you asked it a few days ago, and I answered it again a few minutes ago. That doesn’t mean I can’t also discuss another issue.

            “You go from “hero” to claiming I don’t think highly of zimmerman.”

            No, YOU have repeatedly claimed that you don’t think highly of Zimmerman. I simply pointed out that you have made that claim. Yet, the slightest hint that Zimmerman was neither a hero nor a victim in the case of the killing of Trayvon Martin, and that he was by no means treated unfairly by the legal system, sends you into verbal fits.

            “What I think of zimmermand shouldn’t be your problem and I assure you that it’s not one of mine. How about you just let that small thing go? ”

            At the very least, your claim that you don’t think that highly of Zimmerman, yet you insist that his actions were heroic, seems pretty ironic. But in fact, I see a real contradiction there, that may bear closer self-examination. Or are you now admitting that your earlier claim may not have been true after all? In your own words, that might be “progress”.

            “You add your opinions as if they were fact. You speak of zimmerman doing “…something stupid at the very best”. Your opinion; not mine! You speak of “most likely looking for trouble”. More speculation and not very charitable speculation, even if you do hate him.”

            His actions are most certainly stupid at least. There was no need or expressed intent to protect another person, and his actions resulted in the needless death of a person.

            While some may believe that my claim that he was most likely looking for trouble is too strong, the fact is, that he knowingly brought a loaded gun along, and he was certainly prepared to use it if he felt the need to do so.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You should know by now that I don’t take irrelevant, non-responsive deflection.

            You make it about me, not your thesis. Defend the thesis, not my opinion, my obvious because I’ve told you my opinion of George Zimmerman. This is not hero worship. That’s you. It taints your perception.

            It’s about the law. Your complaint is about my application of the law, actually not mine but the fact that I agree with the application of the law, consistent with the laws everywhere in our country, while you’re all caught up in emotional, irrelevant rhetoric and race based histrionics.

            What’s relevant to you isn’t relevant to the application of the law. It’s that simple. Your opinion or my own, for that matter, of George Zimmerman seems to be relevant to you, alone.

            That, I believe is where you are hung, where you obsess, where you gush an irrational, unreasonable point of view. You believe George Zimmerman is a bad person. Your racist disposition won’t allow you to see tryvon martin’s personal responsibility in his demise. You want to assign that on a basis of race, the fact that George Zimmerman has one Caucasian parent and a Caucasian sir name.

            You’re a white supremacist and you believe, as do the democrat racist party cult that blacks are inferior to whites and are therefor automatically victims. Like the rest of your ilk, you want to believe that blacks default to victim. You want whites, even only half white to default to oppressor. They, in your opinion, need your help to be able to compete and exist in the world of the boogeyman you perpetuate, the white man. You’ll never understand where you’re wrong until you process your prejudices and own them for yourself.

            We don’t need your help. You don’t deserve our votes. You’re the mutation of the KKK. This is your incarnation of the racist democrats, after you lost the civil rights movement. This is your Plessy v. Ferguson, how you recapture separate but equal. This is the urban plantation, compliments of the new KKK, the new democrat party cult. I’m not certain whether you’re one of the marxist democrats that want to control the black man with dependence or one of their dolts that believes the propaganda, the same marxist oppressors that mislead the dolts or the same dolts that believe what they’re being told. I suspect you’re the latter.

            I’ve given my opinion of how you got there. You weren’t comfortable discussing it. Blacks deserve better! Every black man, woman and child deserves to be let off the economic plantation of the democrats, to be allowed to prosper beyond economic chains of servitude to the oppressive government.

            Liberty begins with family values! Morals! Personal Sovereignty! Personal Responsibility beginning in the family! Yourr policies to reward children out of wedlock and punishment for family structure, while you attack morality, faith, self-esteem of a job well done, you deny your pets, your wards the right to succeed or fail of their own volition. If you’ve been trying to accomplish, equality, equal opportunity, fairness, equal protection under the law, you’ve failed. You can’t accomplish that by acts of inequality, in identity politics, in the politics of envy. You certainly cannot achieve it by being less fair to one in order to control the other.

            That’s what Liberty is all about! It’s not making excuses for bad kids. It’s not assigning the blame! In this case, it’s about a kid with an angry, racist, violent attitude toward whom he perceived to be that white man, that boogeyman you democrat racists unsubstantiated paint to be racist.

            You’re not helping!

          • gbpuzzler

            “You should know by now that I don’t take irrelevant, non-responsive deflection.”

            That’s a joke, right? So many of your replies ignore anything relevant in the post that you are replying to and go off on a bunch of irrelevant deflection. In fact, probably few of your posts actually discuss anything relevant.

            “You make it about me, not your thesis. Defend the thesis..”

            And what is the thesis, according to you?

            “You’re a white supremacist and you believe, as do the democrat racist party cult that blacks are inferior to whites and are therefor automatically victims.”

            Well, in addition to your backwards definition of racist that doesn’t make any sense, you have now given a newly invented definition of the term “white supremacist” that is totally backwards from the normal definition.

            “I’ve given my opinion of how you got there. You weren’t comfortable discussing it.”

            If you’re talking about me personally, there’s no point in discussing it, because what you claim is simply a ridiculous fantasy. And I’ve told you before: this comment board is for discussing the George Zimmerman’s killing of Trayvon Martin. I am not interested in discussing your political views. If you want to discuss is, please do so elsewhere.

          • gbpuzzler

            “It’s about the law. Your complaint is about my application of the law, actually not mine but the fact that I agree with the application of the law, consistent with the laws everywhere in our country…”

            Yes, it was based on the application of the law, based on the failures of the prosecution. First, their failure to refute the defense’s claims and present their own story, their failure to show that Zimmerman’s claims of being knocked down at the T and kept on his back while Trayvon Martin was attacking him does not match other evidence such as where objects were dropped, where Martin’s body ended up, and witness Jon Good’s description on his of the part of the altercation that he saw, their failure to stop everyone from getting overly hung up on what words Martin used in his conversation with Rachel Jeantel and to instead, get them to pay attention to the fact that while Martin was hiding in the dark, he was still having a friendly conversation with Jeantel and not preparing himself to start a fight. And in addition, the prosecution’s failure to explain to the jury what “manslaughter” entailed and what they would need to find in order to reach a verdict of Guilty on that charge.

            “You believe George Zimmerman is a bad person. Your racist disposition won’t allow you to see tryvon martin’s personal responsibility in his demise. You want to assign that on a basis of race, the fact that George Zimmerman has one Caucasian parent and a Caucasian sir name.”

            No, I assign Zimmerman responsibility because he has shown himself to be a bully who, in order to make himself feel important, needlessly got into an altercation with a teenager and shot and killed him. I believe him to be a bad person because he has shown himself to be a violent bully and a liar. And I hate it when acolytes like you insist that his story is gospel and repeat made-up claims to make it seem that Trayvon Martin, not George Zimmerman, was the one with a record of violent behavior.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            The prosecution didn’t fail! They failed the Constitution, the law with unequal protection with force of law, by bringing it to trial when it couldn’t be won. The government is out of control and you’re so obsessed and foggy thinking, you actually blame the prosecution for forcing a case that couldn’t be won on its merits.

            It’s still not about you. It’s still about the law. Even with this miscarriage of justice, at least the jury system worked!

          • gbpuzzler

            Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon Martin, claiming self-defense. But during interviews, he kept changing details of his story, and several relevant aspects of it were not consistent with the physical evidence. This provided good reason for him to be charged and brought to trial. He received every protection of the law, including a jury trial in which the defense was able to fully present their case. Unfortunately, the prosecution did not do as good a job of pointing out the difficulties with Zimmerman’s claims.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            No!

          • gbpuzzler

            “Perhaps you should consult a psychiatrist. I wholeheartedly believe you should. I don’t need to be a psych major, must less a mental healthcare specialist to know from your writing that there’s something wrong with you. I have friends I’ve taken courses with that make their money in the mental health care business and I’m fairly certain they’ll say you need to see someone about it.”

            What a joke! In spite of the apparently solicitous tone of this comment, what an instance this is of the pot calling the kettle black! I’ll tell you what. Go ahead and show your friends my comments and see what they say about it. But when you do that, show them your comments and see what they say about those.

            “You are so emotionally invested, unhealthily and irrationally so, that you’ve allowed it to cloud whether you can accept information without coloring it with your super subjective, racist filter.”

            Says the guy who screams “racist!” whenever someone even suggests that Zimmerman was even slightly at fault in killing Trayvon Martin, who denies that Zimmerman’s actions against Martin were even slightly racially related, and who doesn’t get that people’s disgust at Zimmerman have to do with his actions and claims and have nothing to do with what ethnics group he claims to belong to.

            “I’m flabbergasted, on a regular basis by the things you say and you don’t get that I find them prejudicial and not fact based.”

            Well, surprise, surprise, that makes two of us. I suggest that you should take a good hard look at the differences between what you claim about yourself and others and the other things that you say on this comment board.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Not joking! Do they call that transference, projection? You claim to have a psych degree.

          • gbpuzzler

            My degree is in research psychology, not clinical psychology. As such, I do not claim to be able to diagnose psychological problems.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Amazing! Someone found a degree more useless than a clinical psych degree! That explains a lot!

          • gbpuzzler

            Says someone who has no interest in learning any facts that tell anything contrary to what he wants to believe.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Wow! That’s exactly, exactly, precisely who you are and you have the unmitigated gall to project that on me! You show how ignorant and full of identity politics you are. You can’t accept the facts because you’re too busy lying to yourself and everybody else. You don’t have any relevant facts to that painfully over-litigated, settled case. You’ve argued the same irrelevant points over and over, so much so that it’s maddening to try to find another way to help you to understand that you’re not living in reality. You’re just not. You’re obsessed. That’s a mental illness, in case you didn’t know that.

            You need help! You need first to get in touch with whatever’s made you a racist. Then, you need to deconstruct your tainted opinions with fact. I’ve given you every tool to do that and you won’t. You have to admit you have a problem. I suggest you find someone normal, not like you and show them your thread, what you’ve written and solicit advice. You’re going to find that when you deal with people in reality, your poorly constructed world will melt away.

            Please get help! There aren’t many good psychologists but there are some very good psychiatrists whom have studied the brain as well as irrational behaviors, such as yours. I strongly suggest you seek one out.

          • gbpuzzler

            Wow, that sounds like you precisely described yourself. Why don’t you try following your own advice?

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You’re upside down and backward! You can’t help but project your own racism and faulty logic. There’s not even any logic to it. One of us can’t accept reality and the overreaching race pimping process has allowed it to go above and beyond yet you and the other race baiting, race pimping, mindless zealots continue to spew ignorance, as if it matters. It doesn’t; you’re just part of the divisive, race pimping, left wing, identity politics. Nobody hears you because you’re a caricature. You look like the rest of the haters, like the al sharptons, the dysons and the jacksons in white-face. Let it go! You can get help if you let it go!

          • gbpuzzler

            One of us can’t accept reality? Do you mean, you?

          • Libertarian Soldier

            the fact that you even ask a question when one of us is answering the same irrelevant unhelpful questions shows who’s delusional and who’s out of reality, as does the verdict!

            Another loss for racists! Oh, and specifically, you!

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You’re too racist and stupid, as a result to accept facts. The jury came in. Racism lost!

          • gbpuzzler

            “t’s true! I’ve called racist on you, on Trayvon Martin, on the fat pig, lying, fake witness, on all of you. Not because that’s the easy thing to do but because you are.”

            Actually, it’s because you have so little of substance to say.

            “That “violent history” is bull$#!+, too! This case ruined a not so bright fairly young man, put him out for all to see but a “violent history” wasn’t one of them. That’s all occurred since and it’s been fairly well colored. He was a normal, non-racist guy before, despite your hateful slander.”

            Wrong! He had been in trouble with the law before because of his violent behavior. The shooting incident shows that he was a violent bully at that time. The only truth in your statement is that he was fairly young and not that bright.

            “It means I’m the one of us two that’s not compromised by racism and obsession!”

            What a joke! Refresh my memory, please. Which of us has tried to make a dead black teenager out to be a thug even though he had NO record of violent behavior? Which of us went back and added responses to 20 of the other’s entries, just to call the person a nincompoop? No way are you rational, non-racist, and non-obsessed.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            No! Not going to repeat myself. Zimmerman had no convictions, only a domestic injuctive order that happens in most domestic separations and an arrest for an assault on a police officer when Zimmerman thought someone was waylaying his friend and broke it up without knowing what was going on.

            Judge Debra Nelson denied several motions by Zimmerman attorney Mark O’Mara to introduce the 17-year-old’s suspension from school, past marijuana use and his participation in fights as well as the fact that his own mother threw him out to live with his uncle because she couldn’t control him in 2011 but that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Also what wasn’t allowed were screen shots of treyvon martin’s facebook page that showed the goldmine in his teeth, his tattoos, pictures of him holding guns and showing off drugs. His texts, also denied by Nelson discussed guns, him calling himself a “gangsta” and talking about guns and drugs.

            It’s in the record. They couldn’t use it in court but that doesn’t make it so.

            Very tired of this. You’re delusional! Just can’t find 1,000 different ways to shoot down your irrelevant bull$#!+! You’re boring and you’re obsessed. I don’t want to feed your sickness anymore.

          • gbpuzzler

            “Zimmerman had no convictions, only a domestic injuctive order that happens in most domestic separations and an arrest for an assault on a police officer when Zimmerman thought someone was waylaying his friend and broke it up without knowing what was going on.”

            zimmy was charged with a felony for the incident involving the undercover cop. My understanding of what happened is that he pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge and received a community service sentence with no jail time. So, regardless of how you choose to justify it, prior to shooting Trayvon Martin, zimmy hadn’t served any jail or prison time, but he did have a criminal record.

            In addition, he had worked for a while as a bouncer for private parties, and was fired because a young woman was injured because he threw her. That didn’t result in any legal action, but it still happened.

            “Judge Debra Nelson denied several motions by Zimmerman attorney Mark O’Mara to introduce the 17-year-old’s suspension from school, past marijuana use and his participation in fights as well as the fact that his own mother threw him out to live with his uncle…”

            There is NO RECORD of Martin participating in any fights. Nor have I seen any reliable source say that his mother threw him out to live with his uncle. His mother required him to leave home, to stay with his father and Brandy Green, only during the period of the school suspension. The suspension and marijuana use were excluded because there was no reason to believe that they had anything to do with what happened and they were prejudicial.

            ” Also what wasn’t allowed were screen shots of treyvon martin’s facebook page that showed the goldmine in his teeth, his tattoos, pictures of him holding guns and showing off drugs. His texts, also denied by Nelson discussed guns, him calling himself a “gangsta” and talking about guns and drugs.”

            Trayvon Martin’s facebook page was hacked after his death, so much of what was on it can’t be considered to be reliable evidence. Martin had no goldmine in his teeth at the time of his death, and there is no reliable evidence that any actual picture of him showed one. Many young people who are upstanding citizens have tattos, and Martin’s tattoos had the names of his mother and grandmother. There were no pictures of him holding guns or showing off drugs. The pictures of guns and marijuana plants that appaeared on his cell phone did not include him, and there is no way to know how they got there or whether they had been deleted. (“Deleted” material on computers and cellphones becomes unavailable through the normal links, but is often still there.) Kids talk about many things in texts and elsewhere, and without context, it’s not clear what the comments are actually referring to.

            Judge Nelson excluded all of this “evidence” because its source could not be ascertained with any certainty, it had no clear relevance to the case, and it was prejudicial. Deal with it.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Wrong. Diversion. Not a criminal conviction. As for whether or what he was fired for as a bouncer, Lie! Rumor and innuendo! Didn’t happen.

            Tired of your made up BS. Get a new obsession! All done! Tired of your irrelevant, ignorant, race pimping charges. Get over it! It’s got you f’ed up!

          • gbpuzzler

            “Wrong. Diversion. Not a criminal conviction. ”

            Your saying something doesn’t make it true.

            “No! Wrong again, geebee! She decided it was prejudicial, that bringing it into court could affect the outcome of the case. It’s called victim shaming. Of course, now we know for certain he wasn’t the victim!”

            Yes, as I said, it was prejudicial, as well as not being particularly relevant. And it was also victim shaming. And of course, people who don’t have the kind of blinders on that you do can see that Trayvon Martin, the person who was shot and killed in an incident that George Zimmerman was totally able to prevent, was the victim.

            “Since you’re arguing off the point, OK, we’ll argue irrelevant not points! As for “not reliable”. I’ll take the word of the publisher, martin before I’ll accept the BS you present. You’re not an attorney. You know nothing about nothing!”

            And what is “the point” according to you? You address relevant points so seldom that I can’t tell what you’re blathering about.

            “Another legal concept is “what’s good for the goose is good for the gander, which means that if everything is equal and it was not, in this case, it was overreaching and tyrannical the way the state and the conflicts of interests this judge allowed, One has to consider both sides, mutual presentation if it’s an adversary hearing but since martin could not speak for himself, they erred to err!”

            Gee, I’ve seen the legal concept explained, but I didn’t think that “what’s good for the goose is good for the gander” is what is was called as a legal concept! But I was aware that, for instance, if the defense had brought up evidence of bad character for Martin, or good character for zimmy, it would have opened up the door for the prosecution to bring up evidence of good character for Martin or bad character for zimmy, which is why both sides chose to tread fairly lightly with respect to these matters. And it is true that Martin could not speak for himself. However, if the judge and the prosecution erred at trial, it was in letting the defense get away with too much, in letting them ask witnesses about the same things over and over, in preventing voice analysis experts from testifying that the screams could not have been zimmy’s while allowing friends of his that he was the screamer, even though they could not actually have known.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Not reading your bs anymore. Waste of time!

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Still irrelevant. i didn’t even read it and I know it. Not reading your bull$#!+ anymore.

          • gbpuzzler

            “What did you think I was saying when I was telling you to stop trying to practice law? Stop it! You don’t know enough to comment on it if I was giving “false legal explanations”.”

            Your explanations are so off base that they are obviously wrong. So yes, I do know enough to comment on it.

            “You repeatedly adulterate your offer with speculation and prejudice. You have to learn to deal in facts, not speculation. You can’t go saying that Geoorge Zimmerman was “looking for trouble”, not even probably. That’s part of an opening statement and you must produce proof.”

            I admit that, in many cases “proof” may be subjective. However, I have, in many if not most cases, attempted to point out facts that tend to back up my point of view. Why don’t you hold yourself to a similar standard? For instance, you claim that Trayvon Martin brutally attacked George Zimmerman. Your “proof” is that fact that Zimmerman claimed this in his various statements (even though he has lied about other things connected to the case), and that Martin described Zimmerman as a “creepy-ass cracka” while talking on the phone to Rachel Jeantel. So claiming that this is “proof” false in the category of speculation and prejudice.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Do I have to say it? Your quote of in the record. Your witness has been impeached. The jury was left to glean from her testimony what they believe was true and what was not. They all believe that martin made a racist remark and signed off not to go up the stairs but to investigate themselves. This is my speculation. This is what I know occurred because of the body of the evidence and what a compromised witness said. She doesn’t even know how much she hurt the case when she became unreliable, when she was impeached for adding in evidence later, not present, before. Certainly you don’t. Just a “by the by”, saying spelling “creepy 4$$ cracker with an “a” isn’t any different than a white guy saying the “n” word with an “a”. You’re still f’ing delusional! You color everything that enters that thing with which you fail to think.

            Nobody knows what made you a racist but it’s a fact that you are. You see everything through a racist filter and you’ll never be cured until you accept fact, especially the fact that you’re still trying to litigate a settled case. Facts are stubborn things!

          • gbpuzzler

            Excuse me? I suppose that the person that you are calling “my” witness was Rachel Jeantel? And how was she “impeached”? And when did she become “compromised” or “unreliable”?

            She was young and unsophisticated, with little knowledge of the workings of the criminal justice system, and she had a speech defect to boot. The prosecution had not taken the time to make sure that she understood the importance of making a good impression, and what she needed to do to make sure that she did so. And in addition, they were not prepared (and had not prepared the jury) for the actual words that Jeantel would report that Trayvon Martin used. They allowed the jury to get sidetracked onto issues of little relevance and to lose track of the important points of Jeantel’s testimony. They let defense attorney Don West ask her about the same things, over and over, in roundabout ways that she admitted confused her. As a result, her testimony did not have the effect that it should have. But it was the truth. It was not “impeached” or “unreliable”.

            “They all believe that martin made a racist remark and signed off not to go up the stairs but to investigate themselves. This is my speculation.”

            What are you saying here? Who “signed off not to go up the stairs but to investigate themselves”? Trayvon Martin didn’t “sign off”. His phone cut off, apparently after it was dropped in the grass. The jury? I have no idea whether the room whether they deliberated was upstairs from the courtroom. But I haven’t seen or heard of any indication that they chose to “investigate”. Would you care to indicate what they may have chosen to investigate, and what makes you think so? This is the first time that I recall you admitting that you speculated about anything, and it does seem to me to be speculation with no basis in fact.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Yeah, your witness! You are on the side of the perpetrator. You are biased. I’m on the side of the law. Therein lies the difference.

          • gbpuzzler

            No, you are on the side of the perpetrator – George Zimmerman. You know, the guy who shot and killed a teenager after following him. Rachel Jeantel may have had some difficulties in communicating, but the story that she told about the relevant events of that evening remained fairly consistent through several statements and depositions and her trial testimony. On the other hand, Zimmerman kept changing his story to suit what he wanted to claim. Oh no, he didn’t get out of his car to follow Trayvon Martin (even though that’s what he admitted to in the police phone call) – he was looking for an address. Oh no, Martin wasn’t afraid of him, he claimed in the Sean Hannity interview – he wasn’t really running away, he was skipping. If you believe all of this BS, then you are certainly biased.

          • gbpuzzler

            A big part of your problem is that, while you claim that you don’t think that highly of Zimmerman, you totally can’t face up to the falsehood of your narrative of Zimmerman as hero-turned-victim. What Zimmerman did on that night was stupid at the very best, and more likely looking for trouble. It isn’t even remotely heroic. Most people, pretty much all reasonable person, say that he should have stayed in in truck after calling the police. Even if he didn’t, he should have returned to it after the police dispatcher advised him to. He had the opportunity. He was on the phone for more than a minute after getting that advice. And it was still a minute or more after that before he and Trayvon Martin met up. It should have taken him much less to get back to his vehicle. But he had his loaded gun with him, so in his mind, he was ready for action. He wanted to show his police buddies that he could find the “suspicious” person and hold him until the police arrived, never mind that he had no legal authority to do so.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Oh, my problems! What about explaining “the false legal claims”?

          • gbpuzzler

            As I said before, your claiming that the “Not Guilty” verdict proves that Trayvon Martin violently attacked George Zimmerman was a false legal claim. In addition, your claim that Zimmerman’s defense was (wrongly) forced to prove his innocence beyond a reasonable doubt. Neither of these claims was nowhere near being true.

            I also remember there being some other legal term that you misused a few times, but I can’t remember the details offhand.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Actually, the not guilty verdict does exactly what i said it did. You can’t have self defense without something to defend. You’re as nutty as a fruitcake if you don’t know that forcing George Zimmerman to defend his reasonable force when the local DA had already ruled that he would not be charged and when the State takes the case that never was and forces him to defend, against a jury already biased against him was not an unequal failure to protect his right to the presumption of innocence, which he wasn’t granted after the local DA refused to bring to a grand jury and the State’s big guns denied that 4th Amendment protection.

            Get over it!

          • gbpuzzler

            No, the not guilty verdict does not prove that. The burden of proof was on the prosecution, not the defense. What the not guilty verdict proves is that the prosecution failed to adequately prove that the self-defense claim was invalid. No more.

            Of the six jurors, two strongly appear to have been prejudice against Martin and in favor of Zimmerman, especially B37. And one juror knew almost nothing about the case prior to the trial. That does not seem to be a jury already biased against Zimmerman.

            There are no legal guarantees that say that if a case isn’t prosecuted initially, it can’t be prosecuted later, by either the same or a different prosecutorial body. And in Florida, only 1st degree murder cases are required to be brought before a grand jury. So Angela Corey was completely within the law in deciding not to go to a grand jury for the indictment. And it’s the 5th Amendment, not the 4th, that talks about a grand jury. One of the reasons that I don’t believe that you’ve been to law school is that you make stupid statements like these.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Wrong! Like always!

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Ever wrong!

          • gbpuzzler

            Face it – what you believe is untrue. Even thought you don’t have a better explanation, you just don’t want to deal with it. So instead of saying something substantive, you just close your eyes and cover your ears and scream “Wrong! Liar! Racist!”

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Speaking of “face it”! You can add that to deal with it, live with it, accept it, understand it, get over it and everything you need to do. One of us isn’t facing the facts. Again, here’s a hint you’re still not going to get: It’s not me!

            Factually! Understand that word? Of course not! That means this is fact! Factually, you’re right about one thing. I surely feel like covering my ears because you’re parrot of angry, wrong headed, wrong thinking, angry, racist, lying subterfuge and I don’t need to close my eyes to see an emotional, mentally damaged, racist with absolutely no skill with the integration of reality into its warped sense of reality which is a learning disability that cannot be treated until the emotional part with which you wall off the possibility of any sense of rational though is dealt.

            Seek help!

          • gbpuzzler

            “Factually! Understand that word? ”

            Yes, but you clearly don’t.

            “…I don’t need to close my eyes to see an emotional, mentally damaged, racist with absolutely no skill with the integration of reality into its warped sense of reality…”

            No, you just need to look in the mirror.

            “…which is a learning disability that cannot be treated until the emotional part with which you wall off the possibility of any sense of rational though is dealt.”

            You phony diagnoses just show that you know absolutely nothing about clinical psychology. Here’s a hint: actual learning disabilities don’t have an emotional cause.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You’re incapable of understanding any word that doesn’t fit in your poorly constructed, racist narrative. As for, “Here’s a hint: actual learning disabilities don’t have an emotional cause;” that’s why I know you don’t have a psych degree! I know exactly the opposite and I’m a layman! Ha Ha Ha! F’ing phony! F’ing lying 4$$ phony! That’s why your racist bull$#!+ stinks so bad! F’ing racist liar!

          • gbpuzzler

            Well, what you “know” is wrong.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            As far as you “know”.

          • gbpuzzler

            Pretending for the moment that you might actually like to learn something, learning disabilities are generally believed to be caused by some kind of brain or other nervous system dysfunction. You have it backwards: they are not caused by emotional problems, but they can be the cause of emotional problems. Extreme difficulty in learning to do things that are much easier for children can take a serious toll on self-esteem, and also cause other emotional issues.

            Refusing to change your mind when someone keeps insulting you and falsely claiming that you are a liar is not a learning disability.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            I’m not interested in your googled explanation and “what learning disabilities are generally believed to be caused by…” I’m addressing emotional inability to learn, irrespective of its root cause. I have no idda what your personal diagnosis or your personal prognosis. I don’t know how many times you were dropped on your head or whatever kind of disorder afflicts you, whether the brothers smacked you in the head so often and so hard it caused you the damage you’ve experienced. I know, from diadnosed disabilities of treated kids that this exists. It’s impossible for afflicted kids, like you to learn when you’re not thonking rationally, when you dealing with mental and emotional rage and general upset.

            If there’s so ething I know about you, it’s that you’re irrational. You argue against fact amd law and you fail to learn because you’re always defending. You will not learn. Despite being informed, against everything that is rational, you’ll change the subject and try to win a peripheral argument, an irrelevant one. In case you’re not paying attention, I’m feeding you sickness right now by arguing, with you, off the point.

            Your emotionality, your willful ignorance have me off point with you when the subject is that legally, morally and ethically, george zimmerman acted reasonably, using deadly force as a last result to repel an attack that may have ended in his own death or great bodily harm. It’s a text book example of justifiable homicide in self defense.

            Get over it. You can’t, though; can you? See?

          • gbpuzzler

            Yeah, someone could get learning disabilities from getting repeatedly dropped or smacked on their head, but that’s not me. I’m not interested in your imaginary diagnosis of an imaginary condition that you imagine that I have. You’re not a clinical psychologist, stop pretending that you can diagnosis psychological disabilities.

            “You argue against fact amd law and you fail to learn because you’re always defending.”

            I argue facts that exist in the evidence, but that you continue to deny. I argue for the law, but believe that it was improperly or ineffectively applied in some aspects of this case. And I learn little or nothing from you because you present little that is of value.

            “Your emotionality, your willful ignorance have me off point with you when the subject is that legally, morally and ethically, george zimmerman acted reasonably, using deadly force as a last result to repel an attack that may have ended in his own death or great bodily harm. It’s a text book example of justifiable homicide in self defense.”

            The shooting of Trayvon Martin was a false and improper claim of self-defense. Zimmerman was never in any danger of death or great bodily harm. When he went looking for Martin, he knew that he had a loaded gun that he could whenever he decided to do so. The shooting was not moral or ethical.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            I’m not pretending anything and you’re keeping this off point. The point is, again, george zimmerman did nothing illegal. That’s the verdict. He did nothing unethical. He called the police and responded appropriately to both the dispatcher’s inquiries and to the suggestions. Every person, unless the HOA/Management at the “Retreat” states that this is a gun free zone and that guns are expressly not permitted on the property, the US Constitution’s Bill of Rights, in its 2nd Amendment: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed” is the law of the land and must be honored.

            As for diagnoses, I coach kids, some of which exhibit your exact same symptoms. They have learning disabilities. Some are unable to process the information because they are so emotional, so defeated or so enraged that they are unable to make facts fit their constructed interpretation of reality. Some have emotional race issues. Man, that’s you!

          • gbpuzzler

            “The point is, again, george zimmerman did nothing illegal. That’s the verdict. He did nothing unethical. He called the police and responded appropriately to both the dispatcher’s inquiries and to the suggestions.”

            My point is, again, that the acquittal isn’t proof that Zimmerman did nothing illegal, although it does mean that he can’t be charged with the same crime again. And his legal and ethical violations start after the point that you are choosing to stop in this comment. He failed to comply with the dispatcher’s suggestions after he agreed to. He detained Trayvon Martin without legal authority to do so, starting an altercation in the process. He shot and killed him without good reason. And he lied repeatedly to the police and others, falsely claiming that Martin had brutally attacked him, trying to claim self defense when no legitimate case for it existed.

            “As for diagnoses, I coach kids, some of which exhibit your exact same symptoms. They have learning disabilities. Some are unable to process the information because they are so emotional, so defeated or so enraged that they are unable to make facts fit their constructed interpretation of reality.”

            With respect to the kids, you’ve got it backwards. Their other symptoms are a result of their learning disabilities, not causes of their learning disabilities. Their emotional reactions, feeling defeated, or being enraged, are caused by their difficulties in being able to learn or do many tasks, but those reactions can also exacerbate those difficulties. (Assuming that they truly have learning disabilities and it isn’t just another case of you playing clinical psychologist and making up a diagnosis.)

            As for me, I understand what you are saying just fine. Refusing to believe false, malicious claims that you got off of liar websites is not evidence of a learning disability.

          • gbpuzzler

            There were 1237 total comments on this discussion. It’s safe to say that, given your war of insults with another commenter, a lot more of those comments came from you and from me. It’s certain that a lot more lies and insults came from you than from me.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You are the racist liars, time in and time out. You’re ignorant. You are willfully ignorant, purposefully ignorant, looking for any irrelevant factoid, not fact, to support your racist agenda. That is your learning disability. You know what we call that; right?

          • gbpuzzler

            In other words, you can’t deny what I said, so you just hurl insults. As for “irrelevant factoids” you’re the one who brought up the “irrelevant factoids” in question, not me.

            “That is your learning disability.”

            No, that’s you being ignorant.

            You know what we call that; right?

            There’s no “we” here, unless you mean you and your troglodyte friends. I don’t know what “it” you’re talking about, I don’t know what you call “it” and I don’t care.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            “No, you!” While that’s a great argument in 3rd grade, you have to do better in your arguments.
            You also can’t call names and snivel and cry when you get it! 9u$$y!

          • gbpuzzler

            “You’re flat wrong! zimmerman’s defense was forced to go beyond the legal standard of innocent until proven guilty because the government, its party and its propaganda ministry (the media) had already libeled zimmerman as a racist murderer of an unarmed child, a “good kid”, not the racist, druggy, violent, “gangsta” thug, by his own words, he actually was.”

            No, a bunch of racist troglodytes manufactured evidence that Trayvon Martin was a druggy, violent, “gangsta” thug. Except for marijuana use, there is no actual evidence that he was any of these things. And the prosecution encouraged them to spread those claims, in the hopes of prejudicing the jury against Martin. The prosecution, on the other hand, was required by law to avoid similarly prejudicial statements against Zimmerman.

            “zimmerman’s defense could normally have called one or two witnesses hadn’t the special prosecution team not so obfuscated the actual incident, the way you continue to.”

            You mean, like calling on-scene witnesses, medical examiners who described the injuries to Martin and Zimmerman, and someone who was actually talking on the phone to Martin at the time when Zimmerman was following him and later, encountered him?

            The defense needed to call 8 witnesses who would be willing to claim that Zimmerman was the one screaming, and needed to call “expert witnesses” who were prepared to give misleading one-sided testimony that favored Zimmerman.

            As for the jury allegedly being biased against Zimmerman: because of the publicity surrounding this case, the judge had jury summons sent out to hundred of prospective jurors, which were questioned and selected by the attorneys. If Zimmerman couldn’t get a jury that wasn’t biased against him after all that, he has only his lawyers to blame.

          • gbpuzzler

            “And the prosecution encouraged them to spread those claims, in the hopes of prejudicing the jury against Martin.”

            That’s a misstatement on my part. It should be “The defense attorneys encouraged them to spread those claims…”

          • gbpuzzler

            Not to mention the parts of Zimmerman’s story(ies) that did not match what was in the tape of his police phone call.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Lie!

          • gbpuzzler

            Wrong, what I said in the last paragraph was based on the trial testimony. zimmy wasn’t framed. He admitted to killing Trayvon Martin, and he could have prevented the whole incident.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You like to say, “Wrong” to something true just before you say something stupid! You’re amazing!

            You continue with your diatribe that somehow thuggy martin was innocent. He’s the perpetrator by the account of the survivor and by the evidence that supports that spontaneous declaration made to the authorities. The account taken from zimmerman seconds,rather than hours or days after the incident is considered a spontaneous declaration. All evidence, not some, is consistent with the proven fact that zimmerman used reasonable deadly force to defend himself against and to end a protracted, escalating, potentially mortal attack, period!

            How many innocent actions, not consistent with the story of a victim, consistent with an agitator, if not aggressor did martin perpetrate, contributing to precipitating placement of himself in the position in which he did not find himself but willed himself?

            You continue to vilify zimmerman’s actions while you excuse precipitation and aggressive, obnoxious, belligerence of martin on somebody else’s property. You act like there was something zimmerman did that he was not legally and morally rightful to do on his paid, community property and you conflate a visitor’s not rightful, obstinately obnoxious disposition as rightful in a state where “stand your ground” is the rightful statute.

            That, while disgusting, factually racist obfuscation and conflation as some type of “racism” is wholly dis-understood, in our country. You race pimps turn simple, self-explanatory, legal explanations away and inject your own hate, your own cynicism, your own racism into the equation and your propaganda ministry all worked to ruin an innocent survivor’s reputation and life, itself.

            Shame on you all! F’ing racists!

          • gbpuzzler

            “You like to say, “Wrong” to something true just before you say something stupid! You’re amazing!”

            And you like to say “liar” or “racist” whenever anyone says anything that you don’t have an answer to!

            “You continue with your diatribe that somehow thuggy martin was innocent. He’s the perpetrator by the account of the survivor and by the evidence that supports that spontaneous declaration made to the authorities.”

            “By the account of the survivor” are the operative words here. Fibsy Killerman claimed that Trayvon Martin had initiated a brutal attack on him, but there is no evidence other than his claims that tell us that, and he has repeatedly lied and deceived about various aspects of what happened. His declaration was “spontaneous” in that he said it voluntarily, but he certainly had thought about what he was going to say that would let him claim self-defense.

            “All evidence, not some, is consistent with the proven fact that zimmerman used reasonable deadly force to defend himself against and to end a protracted, escalating, potentially mortal attack, period!”

            All evidence indicates that Fibsy Killerman used escalating force, ending with deadly force against Trayvon Martin. There is no evidence that Martin used force to any end other than to attempt to protect himself from an ultimately deadly attack.

            “How many innocent actions, not consistent with the story of a victim, consistent with an agitator, if not aggressor did martin perpetrate, contributing to precipitating placement of himself in the position in which he did not find himself but willed himself?”

            The actions that we know that he precipitated are to run away from Fibsy Killerman, to hide in a dark place, to ask Fibsy “What are you following me for ?”, to yell “Get off, get off!” and to scream. None of those shows him to be an aggressor. And he did not will himself to be in the position in which he ultimately found himself.

            “You continue to vilify zimmerman’s actions while you excuse precipitation and aggressive, obnoxious, belligerence of martin on somebody else’s property.”

            Belligerence? Like asking “What are you following me for?” Like yelling “Get off, get off!”

            “You act like there was something zimmerman did that he was not legally and morally rightful to do on his paid, community property and you conflate a visitor’s not rightful, obstinately obnoxious disposition as rightful in a state where “stand your ground” is the rightful statute.”

            I’m not sure what you are claiming shows an “obstinately obnoxious disposition”. But yes, Fibsy Killerman did something that he was not legally and morally rightful to do. He detained, shot, and killed someone who would not have seriously injured him, and who wouldn’t have injured him at all if Killerman hadn’t started an altercation with him. Neither the fact that Killerman was one of many residents who paid for the community property, nor the fact of Florida having a “stand your ground” law excuses using deadly force against someone. And not liking what someone says to you is even less justification.

          • gbpuzzler

            “You’ve been swimming in evidence, not the least of which is a unanimous verdict. ”

            Misleading. The purpose of the jury deliberations is to try to reach a unanimous verdict. The jury was split 3 ways at first. They asked for a comprehensible definition of “manslaughter” and weren’t given one. So the Not Guilty verdict may be primarily the result of the jury just not knowing what was legally required for a verdict of Guilty for manslaughter.

            “Here, for the countless time, this has been litigated.”

            Yes, it has. And while it’s too late to change the results of the trial, I’m still entitled to my opinion of what happened, especially since I have good reasons for my opinion.

            “I’ve given you highlights that make the case.”

            And I’ve given you highlights that cast doubt on your claims, as well as pointed out that your “highlights” don’t always say what you claim.

            “You give conjecture, subjective beliefs, semantics, you make $#!+ up and offer unsubstantiated rumor and innuendo…”

            I give actual facts and evidence presented at trial, as well as my conjecture about how it all fits together. You give unsubstantiated rumor and innuendo, irrelevant statements, as well as outright lies.

            “…but you’re willing to accept changed stories by witnesses that said something completely different, later, in order to support your own predetermined, subjective conjecture.”

            Like Jon Good, one of the favorite witnesses of the Zimmerman supporters, who changed his story, but whose story never actually said everything that they claim that it did (that is, the head-banging claim)? Or Zimmerman himself, who didn’t actually testify at the trial, but who changed his story more often than anyone else in this case?

          • Libertarian Soldier

            This is me ignoring more of your irrelevant, off the point, ignorant bull$#!+. You keep wiggling around, changing the subject and thinking it’s relevant. It’s not.

          • gbpuzzler

            I responded to your post. If your post is relevant, then my response is also.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            r response is never relevant.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Not relevant! They also wanted to convict him of something. If you’d stop conflating a biased jury with a fair jury and stick to the law, this jury, even this biased and prejudiced jury who wanted to convict him could find no legal instruction and no charge to support a guilty verdict. If there was not lesser included offense, the biased court, the biased judge, the biased jury and the biased witnesses took their best shot and still couldn’t get it done.

            It is worrisome that the court and all its wheels are afforded the corrupt ability to try to convict, absent facts or even a law to match the deliberate, prejudiced vilification of an innocent defendant that should never have been charged.

          • gbpuzzler

            “…this jury, even this biased and prejudiced jury who wanted to convict him could find no legal instruction and no charge to support a guilty verdict. If there was not lesser included offense, the biased court, the biased judge, the biased jury and the biased witnesses took their best shot and still couldn’t get it done.”

            As I explained in another post, the defense attorneys had plenty of opportunity to pick jurors who were not prejudiced against Zimmerman. You are seeing them as prejudiced against him because their opinions, base on listening to all of the trial witnesses and arguments, are different than your opinions based on your liar websites.

            The lesser included charge of manslaughter was presented to the jury as an option on their ballots, but with a poor, incomprehensible definition, and a better one was not provided by the judge or the attorneys.

            Yes, some witnesses were biased one way or the other. It is part of the job of the attorneys to point out those biases, and of the jury to sort through how this affects the credibility of the witnesses.

            The judge, who earlier seemed to be taking a hard line against some of the shenanigans of the defense, shortly before and during the trial made several decisions that may have been very helpful for the defense. An example is that she excluded the testimony of voice experts who said that the screams could not have been Zimmerman’s, while allowing 8 witnesses, many of whom could not possibly have known, to testify that they recognized the screams as Zimmerman’s.

            “It is worrisome that the court and all its wheels are afforded the corrupt ability to try to convict, absent facts or even a law to match the deliberate, prejudiced vilification of an innocent defendant that should never have been charged.”

            An “innocent defendant” who shot and killed a teenager, and lied about many of the circumstances in order to claim self-defense.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Great! Start a post, a communication, a paragraph, a sentence, a thought (for lack of a more descriptive word) with a conjunction! A conjunction attached to nothing, from nowhere! Just like every other assertion you make!

            ‘As far as (you) can see,’ you don’t want to know whether there is or isn’t evidence and you don’t know the difference, anyway.

          • gbpuzzler

            And you can’t see the difference between lies repeated over and over by lying Zimmerman supporters and actual evidence.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Actually I see clearly lies repeated over and over with no reverence whatsoever for facts, evidence and the law. You’re the poster-boy for it. It’s underwhelming how much you don’t know but pretend to know. What you know isn’t relevant and couldn’t help yours and your justifiably killed buddy you call by his first name while you vilify the victim and call him the culprit. Your brain works overtime not working at all, not doing the job God gave it to do. You’re seriously f’ed up. How does that defective, oxygen deficient bowl of chorizo keep you upright and breathing? Seriously! Do you have to wear a helmet? Do they pad the doorways for you, make certain there’s a pile of carpet padding wherever you go? You should put more energy into the act of swallowing and separating food from air so you’ll get more oxygen to your brain and less air pressure forcing crap out of your lower intestine toward that poor excuse for dark grey matter.

          • gbpuzzler

            “Actually I see clearly lies repeated over and over with no reverence whatsoever for facts, evidence and the law. ”

            Yes, and so do I – coming from you, repeating what you read on liar websites written by lying Zimmerman supporters.

            “What you know isn’t relevant and couldn’t help yours and your justifiably killed buddy you call by his first name while you vilify the victim and call him the culprit.”

            A lot or what you “know” isn’t even true, let alone relevant. You believe a bunch of garbage that you read on liar websites and then arrogantly believe that you know it all and that anything that is different from your narrative is false or irrelevant – even actual forensic evidence and actual trial testimony. You have no idea what is relevant because you ignore anything other than the lies that you decided to believe.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            “Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah! You, no, you!” That’s the game you play because you have nothing of substance or relevance.

          • gbpuzzler

            Try saying that while looking in the mirror. It’s a good description of your own behavior.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            I’m waiting for you to chant, “i’m rubber; you’re glue, bounces of me and sticks to you!” That’s what I expect from an 8 year old, whose go to is “no, you!”

          • gbpuzzler

            “There’s physical evidence, actual forensic evidence in the broken nose you doubt, even though it wouldn’t matter if it wasn’t. There was blood coming from Zimmerman’s nose and mouth.”

            Based on what – the photo from the cell phone? The paramedics did not state that there was blood coming from his mouth. The photo shows blood going from his nose to his mouth, but not coming out of his mouth. It is unclear, from the photo, whether the blood was coming out of his nose or whether he had a small wound on the tip of his nose. And even if he had blood coming from his nose and mouth, so what? All it proves is a bloody nose, and most bloody noses are not associated with broken noses.

            “There was damage to the back of zimmerman’s head.”

            Two tiny (less than 1 inch long) lacerations and a bruise.

            “This is physical evidence that supports the statement given by G Zimmerman.”

            No, it doesn’t. According to the testimony of Dr. Valerie Rao, it supports his falling against a sidewalk or other rough surface. That could have happened any number of ways, perhaps by him being shoved or slipping on the wet grass.

            “Witnesses heard and saw what they believed to be exactly what G Zimmerman stated and the forensic, physical evidence where t martin lay dead confirmed with expert testimony. I’m satisfied with the facts and the verdict.”

            No, they didn’t. Nobody saw Trayvon Martin bang zimmy’s head against the ground, on the concrete or elsewhere. Both the witnesses and the physical evidence support a view of an altercation that covered a wider area, with most of it occurring some distance from the T and not close to the sidewalk, not with zimmy being knocked down by the T and then having his head beat against the concrete until he shot Trayvon Martin, as he claimed. I’m satisfied that the facts do not fit zimmy’s description of the altercation.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Makin’ $#!+ up again!

          • gbpuzzler

            I’m not making stuff up at all. You’re the one who made stuff up by claiming that there was bleeding from Zimmerman’s mouth, as well as claiming that physical evidence supports his statement(s).

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Wrong, perpetually! You’re making $#!+ up!

          • gbpuzzler

            No, I wasn’t making stuff up. I’ve examined the photo in question. My description of the injuries to Zimmerman’s head is based on the testimonies of Dr. Valerie Rao and PA Lindzee Folgate. No witness said that they saw anyone’s head being banged against the ground. And most of the items dropped by both Martin and Zimmerman were found in locations some distance away from both the T and the sidewalk. So what is it that you claim that I was making up?

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Do you think it matters what a delusional racists examination of photographs’ conflation to an irrelevant narrative repeatedly conflates to a settled matter?

            Since you don’t know, the answer is not a bit!

          • gbpuzzler

            It’s more likely to provide correct information than a delusional name-caller who makes up stuff based on no evidence at all.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            More projection! More subterfuge! More shell game! You’re the one making $#!+ up! You’re the one that can’t live with a verdict; talk about delusional! More transference! More obfuscatory smoke and mirrors!

          • gbpuzzler

            Rule of thumb: the more comments that Libertarian Soldier posts within a short time, the less likely it is that anything substantive will actually be said in any of them.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Rule of thumb: keep your thumb out of your 4$$.

          • You’re mad. I’m glad.

            Too true. He’s truly a waste of life.

          • gbpuzzler

            On the other hand, you don’t make things up. You just repeat things that other people have made up.

          • gbpuzzler

            Where is the projection and subterfuge in the post that you were responding to? I challenge you to find any,

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Again, irrelevant! whether I’m pointing out your delusions and your racism, it doesn’t matter. Pictures only support the fact that martin beat zimmerman. When you become an expert witness, you can comment on the severity of damage to zimmerman. Obviously the jury found it sufficient to determine that zimmerman used reasonable deadly force!

          • gbpuzzler

            Pictures only support the fact that Zimmerman got a few scrapes and a bloody nose. They don’t give us the details of how he got them.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            It’s your lie! Tell it whatever way you choose!

          • Libertarian Soldier

            …according to your medical degree. Do you have a fake one of those, too?

          • gbpuzzler

            It is a fact that pictures can’t say that a specific person caused injuries to the person in the picture. And at least two medical witnesses testified during the trial that Zimmerman’s injuries were minor. You are the one who claims fake degrees, not me.

          • gbpuzzler

            Look who’s talking! Where’s your medical degree, that supposedly lets you diagnose a broken nose based on a bad photo, with no x-rays?

          • gbpuzzler

            There is no reason to believe that the pictures of Zimmerman made a difference in the jury’s decision.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            …as far as you know; by your limited level of comprehension…

          • gbpuzzler

            As far as I know, by hearing and reading about interviews done by some of the jurors after the trial was over.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Contrary to what your limited intelligence allows you to comprehend, those interviews don’t prove your point. They more prove mine.

          • gbpuzzler

            In the interviews, the jurors didn’t mention the pictures as factors that made a difference in their decision. So explain your claim that this more proves your point.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Irrelevant! You want to, wish to, will to glean some point from what isn’t said. While that may be a trait for inventors or fiction writing, it does not make a point; does it? Please don’t give another irrelevant, retarded reply. Your constant barrage of irrelevance is tiresome, boring and yes, confusing to you. You don’t, won’t, intransigently refuse to accept or understand legal standards. That’s why you make stuff up, based on subjective conjecture. That’s your best. You’ve taken your best shots and you remain unconvincing. If there was such a word as dis-convincing, that would sum it up. Not just unconvincing, more making the opposite point.

            You may deserve an E for effort but you also deserve an F for wasting time and effort. Bad show! Every rabbit hole you go down is an irrelevant waste of time and effort. You’ve made no more ground than you did before you were exposed as a racist, while all your effort was on your own racist rant about a villain and a ‘poor, unarmed black teenager, just trying to go home’ and calling your personal villain a racist. The best we’ve gotten from you is how you’ve disguised your racist point of view. Thanks for that!

            Vote Ted Cruz

          • gbpuzzler

            So you’ve gone off one a rant instead of making even a token effort to give the answer that I requested. So again: since the jurors did not say in interviews that the pictures were factors that affected their decision. So how is it that you are claiming that the interviews “more prove your point” about the pictures? Or are you claiming something else?

            You’re criticizing me for gleaning a point form what wasn’t said. But if you claim that the pictures did make a difference, then you seem to be basing your point on nothing at all, which makes less sense.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Pictures are evidence. Do I have to explain to you that the verdict is based on the sum of the evidence?

            As for the rest of my point, on which I reassert my point, you are willfully, ignorantly and deliberately attempting to glean from nothing what you subjectively will to be fact when there is no evidence to support your own assertion.

            As for everything else you write:
            Irrelevant! Non-responsive! Speculative!

            Any more questions?

            You continue to waste time and cyberspace!

          • gbpuzzler

            “”"Pictures are evidence. Do I have to explain to you that the verdict is based on the sum of the evidence?”

            Even counting all testimony as being evidence, that is only partially true, at best. More accurately, the verdict is based on the sum of the evidence that was presented, the impressions that the jurors gain from what the attorneys say, the impressions that the jurors get of what the law says, and any relevant preexisting biases that the jurors have.

            Even going along with that statement, I think that you realize that some testimony and evidence affects the jury more than other testimony and evidence, and that it does not necessarily all tell a clear, consistent story.

            So, your reply has to be seen as irrelevant and non-responsive.

          • gbpuzzler

            “You’ve made no more ground than you did before you were exposed as a racist…”

            Correction: I wasn’t exposed as a racist. You illogically claimed that I was a racist because I pointed out that your hero George Zimmerman had behaved in a way that was less than ideal.

            “The best we’ve gotten from you and those like you, like the author of the story above is fiction based on rumor and innuendo pretending everyboody else is a racist ”

            I’ve never claimed or implied that “everyboody (sic) else is a racist”. And by the way, few of my claims and suggestions are unique to me. They come from claims and suggestions made by readers of blogs and news articles, based on evidence, and which seemed to better fit the actual events and evidence than, for instance, Zimmerman’s claims or yours.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You claim it in your other posts. You cite a racist public picking on black boys and men, today.

          • gbpuzzler

            There was no blood coming from Zimmerman’s mouth, and the damage to the back of his head is trivial. These do not support the head-banging claims, nor are these injuries severe enough for deadly force to have been reasonable. One witness confirmed part of what Zimmerman stated. Other witness statements tend to disconfirm some of the things that Zimmerman said, or else they neither confirm nor disconfirm Zimmerman’s claims.There is NO witness testimony that confirms the claim of head-banging.

          • gbpuzzler

            “Most of the evidence would be damning if the actual victim, Zimmerman did not have a weapon to defend himself and he was killed or experienced brain injury sufficient to medially render him an incompetent”

            The actual victim is the person who died. Trayvon Martin, not the person who shot him after receiving slight injuries, George Zimmerman.

            Despite the claims of Zimmerman and his family members, Zimmerman was nowhere near experiencing “brain injury sufficent to medially (sic) render him an incompetent”. As described by witnesses during the trial, his injuries were not that serious. He had no symptoms of having received even a slight concussion, and there is no evidence that he would have received one if the altercation had continued. He got a few scrapes, which were bleeding a lot because the scalp has a lot of blood vessels close to the surface, and a bloody nose.

            And the fact is that Zimmerman did have a gun to defend himself, and because of that, he clearly knew that if Martin did not also have a gun, the danger to himself was minimal, because he had that gun to fall back on.

            Your phrase “Most of the evidence would be daming” seems to be assuming a prosecution of Martin if he had survived. There is nothing in the actual evidence to show that this is what would have happened. If Martin had survived, he would have had his own story to tell, and it would undoubtedly be very different than the BS that Zimmerman made up about having his head banged against the pavement. And the evidence showing that Zimmerman followed him in his truck, then on foot, would tend to speak on Martin’s behalf.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Do you even read what you write? How many acrobatic backward flips do you do to see what you say? I’ve actually come to believe you’re mentally ill by what you write and you need help. If you’re this resistant to truth, fact, law and reality, I wonder what’s going to happen if this mental construct you’ve so meticulously constructed is ever proven to you be someone you respect, since you have no respect for juries, the law, legal procedure, the prosecutors, investigators, forensic, physical and investigative evidence.

            Please get help!

          • gbpuzzler

            It takes no mental acrobatic back flips at all to see that the person who was shot and killed was the victim and the person who shot him after receiving only minor injuries was the perpetrator. I’m amazed at the mental back flips that cause you to claim that Zimmerman was the “real victim” and that it was a gross injustice to him for the case to be investigated and tried.

            I respect legal procedure and the law and you have no reason to claim otherwise. I believe that the prosecutors IN THIS CASE could have done better, and that the investigators could also have done better in some respects. Some evidence was lost because of errors that were made in handling it. I have a great deal of respect for forensic, physical, and investigative evidence. On the other hand, you have shown that you have no respect for forensic, physical, and investigative evidence, since you have no interest in looking it up and frequently call me a liar when I bring it up, even when the evidence was brought up during the actual trial.

          • gbpuzzler

            “Much of what GeeBy is arguing might, might be used to argue mitigation at martin’s sentencing.”

            What sentencing? In the first place, Trayvon Martin was a minor, so the whole process would have been different. In the second place, who knows whether he would have even been charged with anything, if he had been alive to tell his side of things, and the police and DA’s office had actually sorted things out. In the first place, zimmy is the one who instigated things by following Martin, first in his truck and then on foot, and didn’t return to his truck when advised to do so. In the second place, there is no evidence, none, that Martin started the physical altercation. In the third place, it is not even clear whether Martin caused any of zimmy’s injuries in any kind of direct way, as opposed to the injuries resulting from, say, zimmy running into a tree branch in the dark, or slipping on the wet grass. If Martin had still been alive, it is not likely that charges would have been brought against him on the basis of phony claims like zimmy’s head-banging story, or zimmy claiming that his nose was broken without getting any x-rays to prove it.

          • gbpuzzler

            “Most of the evidence would be damning if the actual victim, Zimmerman did not have a weapon to defend himself and he was killed or experienced brain injury sufficient to medially render him an incompetent.”

            In other words, there might be damning evidence if everything had happened in a way that was totally different from the way that things did happen. Zimmerman was not an actual victim, he was the perp. He shot Martin with a gun that he had on him just in case he felt the need to shoot someone. And his head injury consisted of some minor wounds with no brain injury at all. Zimmerman had followed Martin in his truck and then pursued him on foot for no good reason. There is no evidence to show that Martin had been committing any crime at all, even during the altercation.

          • doesntevenmatter

            Yes, there is, read the trial transcripts. The defense mentions it again in it’s closing arguments.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            I watched the trial live. There were no reports of anyone looking through windows. the defense can say anything they want, it doesn’t make it true. the defense said that Trayvon had a video on his phone of his friends beating a homeless guy, which was a lie. the defense said that people use SKITTLES and WATERMEON JUICE to make lean, which is a lie. The defense saying something does not make it true.

          • doesntevenmatter

            Lean is made with codein, watermelon juice and candy. That claim didn’t come from the media, it came from the internet.

            The cell phone video I admit was wrong, but O’Mara apologized for his misstatement.

            The prosecution never apologized for falsifying the arrest warrant, or withholding color photos of GZ’s injuries, nor did all the people who have made this the media circus it is by making TM the poster boy for racism, the biggest joke of the decade.

            The media convicted George Zimmerman in the court of public opinion long before the trial-and the entire case was the largest miscarriage of justice I have ever seen, only it was George Zimmerman who was the victim, and legal experts agree with me.

            There was reports of someone looking in windows mentioned many times throughout trial.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Wrong, lean is made with caugh syrup, a CARBONATED soft drink, like sprite and HARD CANDY like jolly ranchers. Skittles would take DAYS to dissolve (instead of the MINUTES that it takes for jolly ranchers to dissolve) and you’d wind up with a nasty slurry with foam on top. Also watermelon juice is not carbonated. Also, trayvon didn’t have any codine on him. Hey look, I like to drink golden bear and eat gummy bears. If I am shot and killed with golden bear and gummy bears in my bag, that doesn’t mean that I was going to make LEAN or anything else!

            Look, seriously consider your SOURCE on what Kwan contains. Chances are they DONT drink lean and never have. A square doesn’t really know what’s in lean. If you actually were in that environment, you wouldn’t be saying what you said. Don’t believe me? Go look up a video of people making lean on YouTube. They all use sprite and hard candy!

            O’Mara knew he was wrong when he made his statement in open court. He knows that you can’t unring a bell. By saying what he said, he duped several people into believing it, especially since his ‘apology’ was in a different forum than the one that he made his original claim in.

            The prosecution never falsified an arrest warrant. They aren’t obligated to release any photos to the public.

          • doesntevenmatter

            LMAO-a “square”? Who says that? Just because I am educated and professional-which by the way, I worked my butt off to work my way to where I am from the streets of Detroit.

            If I were actually in that environment? Again, I’m from Detroit. I probably have more black people in my family than you’ve ever seen in your life, seeing as how you get your information on how “Kwan” is made from YouTube, I’ll help you out.

            The candy put in Lean is actually put there to change the color, it is dependent on taste to how you make it, and there isn’t a specific recipe because most people have their own. I’ve seen people use Skittles, Kool-Aid packets, even M&M’s, which is then added to Sprite, or Mountain Dew (I wouldn’t recommend that because the caffeine), it’s really up to the person. In my day however we called it “Sizzurp”. I’ve drank plenty of it while in college, though I didn’t really like it because it makes you sleepy. My roomate’s cousin blacked out and tore our apartment up one time from drinking too much, they call it “Robo trippin”

            No one said they are obligated to release any photos, you obviously don’t know how the process works to obtain a warrant, so Google Corey falsify warrant and you should be able to read more about it.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            “Just because I am educated and professional-which by the way, I worked my butt off to work my way to where I am from the streets of Detroit.”

            Hey, if you think people make lean using Watermelon juice and skittles then you certainly are ignorant.

            ” probably have more black people in my family than you’ve ever seen in your life”

            The city that I live in is 60% black and the next city over is 90% black. I also grew up in Washington DC and I worked in Detroit.

            “The candy put in Lean is actually put there to change the color,”

            No it isn’t. It is put there to make the cough syrup palatable because prescription cough syrup tastes NASTY. The candy isn’t put there ‘for color’ because purple lean gets its color from the cough syrup itself. But hey, lets take a look at what else you have to say professor detroit city.

            “I’ve seen people use Skittles, Kool-Aid packets, even M&M’s”

            Nope nope and nope.

            Skittles takes DAYS to dissolve in liquids. DAYS. Nobody uses kook-aid packets because, as I said, the candy is for flavor! M&M’S? NOPE. I don’t even want to think about how bad that would taste since chocolate knocks out your taste buds.

            “In my day however we called it “Sizzurp”.”

            Oh look, someone knows how to use wikipedia or a deceptively written rightwing article.

            ” I’ve drank plenty of it while in college”

            If you did, then you’d know that the candy is added for FLAVOR and skittles take several days to dissolve in liquids. Here’s a pro tip, you can just drink the cough syrup straight and get the same effect because the candy is for flavor and the sprite is a mixing agent.

            “My roomate’s cousin blacked out and tore our apartment up one time from drinking too much, they call it “Robotrippin”"

            People don’t flick off or hulk out when they drink high quantities of cough syrup. It will make them giddy and hallucinate. Do you even know what the side effects of Codine are? Codeine is a SEDATIVE and a mild hallucinogen that overall makes people feel good.

            Please stop talking BS to someone that knows man. You just look like a fool when you do so.

            Side effects of codeine:

            Life Threatening:

            Bloating
            blurred vision
            chills
            cold, clammy skin
            confusion
            constipation
            darkened urine
            difficult or troubled breathing
            dizziness
            dizziness, faintness, or lightheadedness when getting up suddenly from a lying or sitting position
            fainting
            fast, irregular, pounding, or racing heartbeat or pulse
            fast, weak pulse
            feeling of warmth
            fever
            indigestion
            irregular, fast or slow, or shallow breathing
            lightheadedness
            loss of appetite
            nausea
            no blood pressure or pulse
            no breathing
            pains in the stomach, side, or abdomen, possibly radiating to the back
            pale or blue lips, fingernails, or skin
            redness of the face, neck, arms, and occasionally, upper chest
            shortness of breath
            stopping of the heart
            sweating
            unconsciousness
            unusual tiredness or weakness
            vomiting
            wheezing
            yellow eyes or skin
            Drowsiness
            relaxed and calm

            Non-life threatening:
            More common=

            Drowsiness
            relaxed and calm

            Incidence not known=

            Abdominal or stomach pain or cramps
            blurred or loss of vision
            diarrhea
            disturbed color perception
            double vision
            dry mouth
            false or unusual sense of well-being
            fear or nervousness
            feeling of constant movement of self or surroundings
            halos around lights
            headache
            hives or welts
            itching skin
            night blindness
            overbright appearance of lights
            redness of the skin
            sensation of spinning
            shakiness
            skin rash
            sleeplessness
            trouble sleeping
            tunnel vision
            unable to sleep
            weight loss

            Codine is a controlled substance because it is a danger to the USER. Drinking too much causes a high risk of death. Seriously, stop talking about lean. It is clear that you have no experience with it or the culture and just tried to piece together something from what you read on rightwing blogs somewhere that were written by people that NEVER drank lean and NEVER heard of it before the Trayvon Martin shooting when you guys needed a convenient excuse to vilify the young man going to the store to buy two very legal products that people all over the world buy without mixing with anything to get high.

            You are literally trying to make the act of going to 7-11 to buy a SNACK into a crime because deep down you know zimmerman’s behavior was wrong.

          • doesntevenmatter

            Your an idiot. You are the one copying and pasting crap.

            Anyone who hallucinates can have a bad trip.

            Again, Lean is made in different ways, each person makes it to their liking. Kinda like macaroni and cheese or Kool aid.

            Go find some black people online to ask, I guarantee there are no right wing colleges in Michigan. EMU, where I got my degree, is not even close.

            If you don’t believe I am from Detroit, come here yourself, and I will meet you in the public place of your choice.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            “You are the one copying and pasting crap.”

            I want to make sure that you see exactly what I’m responding to.

            “Lean is made in different ways”

            Nobody makes lean with skittles. Skittles take DAYS to dissolve in liquids and then you get a nasty slush that makes your drink nasty.

            “Kinda like macaroni and cheese or Kool aid.”

            Sure, if you substitute plastic lego pieces for pasta or substitute baby powder for kool aide mix.

            “Go find some black people online to ask”

            haha good one. Well about 90% of the people that I know are black. None of them would use Skittles to make LEAN.

            “If you don’t believe I am from Detroit, come here yourself, and I will meet you in the public place of your choice.”

            I’ve already been to detroit. If you don’t believe me, come down to DC and I’ll meet you in the public place of your choice.

            Look, if you think people make LEAN with skittles, try dissolving a bag in some juice and see what happens.

            “Your an idiot.”

            *You’re*

            Look, if you are going to call people ‘idiot’ or ‘retard’ at least use proper grammar. You’re and Your are two different words. Confusing them while trying to impugn someone else’s intelligence just makes you look stupid.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah! Justice!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah! Butthurt!

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Oh, good, you’re not even an amateur lawyer, in your own mind, you’re a fat, white (caucasian, anyway, don’t think the whites would claim you), racist chemist or thug, as it were.

            Wow, your stupidity is astounding! You want to correct somebody on your personal preference since you identify with “treyvon”, as you refer to him,while you’re so prejudiced you call the other by his last name!

            You couldn’t be objective if you were actually white.

          • Libertarian Soldier = My Bitch

            Cool story bro. keep trying hard and failing. lol

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Irrelevant!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            You’re the one making irrelivent statements here. Go get a life or something.

            Little protip. If you can’t be bothered to respond in two weeks, then don’t respond at all.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Sorry! Dikchead! I’ve bee laid up with ankle surgeries after an accident in Barstow. Can’t put my foot down for long. Making an exception, today, for you. Determined to break into that ignorant, fat laden, goofy looking, goofy processing skull of yours.

            You should consider working for the federal government. certain you can help rationalize victim-hood throughout the country! You already like to think you’re the arbiter of when somebody should respond, even though you injected yourself into a cold conversation that was dormant for 2 years!

            Let’s put it in terms that you’ll understand, junior: You’re not the boss of me!

            While we’re on the subject, what kind of life could you have if you can’t take 2 weeks away from the computer? Hey, is that mom calling you? Asking you what that pungent smell is from the smoke coming under the door? Better put it out and get back to school! Nothing worse than a dis-educated troll that can’t compete in the real world but wants to “protip”! F’ing goon!

            Life’s good! You should consider getting one!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            If you can’t be bothered to respond in two weeks, then let it go and go away. You weren’t having wrist sugary unless you type with your feet, your excuses are rather poor.

            Also, you’re the one calling people ‘dickhead’ on the internet.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You f’ing stupid 4$$! My broken lower leg and my 100% dislocated ankle is in the air most of the time, being iced the rest of the time and I do have a life that has not a thing to do with dealing with impetuous, ignorant trolls like you, you f’ing ignorant dikchead! I still haven’t seen the damage to my motorcycle. I still have to have someone tell me what’s wrong with it so I can decide to move it home and fix it myself or give it to a shop. Some of us aren’t up in our rooms, at mom’s house smoking dope, posting stupidity on the web.

            That’s your f’ing argument? Yeah, you have a learning disability, besides being uncle fester’s fat goofy son.

            There’s actually no reason why I should deal with ignorance or defend whether my wrist or my ankle and leg has had “sugary”, you illiterate dolt.

            You know not a thing about the law, rights or the Constitution and your contentions, from top to bottom, front to back are upside down and backwards. You’re a product of our crappy education turned indoctrination system, looking for boogey men and racist government victimizing black men in a world where there is no open season on young, black men, where there’s more of an argument that it’s open season on the police who are not always 100% innocent, to use your term but you people don’t know when to admit you listened to the divisive government, its party and its propaganda ministry and they were wrong in advancing a divisive agenda for political purposes and just wrong about the facts of the manufactured case that never was.

            Run along now, junior. I’ve grown bored and impatient with your willful ignorance and your stupidity.

            It’s not about my leg. It’s about your inability to learn and accept facts, so, again, I’ll quote you: “deal with it.”

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            wahwahwahhhh my broken leg! wahhh!

            “You know not a thing about the law”

            I don’t see you proving that assertion.

            Look, you’re free to run away at any point. You have filed to raise any salient points in this entire exchange beyond projecting onto other people and completely missing the point at every turn. You are a waste of life.

          • JoseCuervo

            I love how everyone proves you wrong.. but you keep responding and sounding dumber by the day.. hilarious. Must suck to be you and be wrong all the time.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            It’d be great if you were smart enough to know what you’re saying. As for how it must suck, not at all! It could be worse; I’m glad I’m not you.

            Run along, now, princess! Go play with the other little girls.

          • JoseCuervo

            You wish you were me. I bet you were one of those people that were screaming to any that
            could hear that Obama brought Ebola into the US and that we were all going to
            die…. LMAO.. well, we are still here, a year later, no
            outbreak…….. I love how everyone is shitting on your stupid weak arguments. You have nothing of substance to add to any conversation. As you keep proving again and again, all you have are insults and tea party buzzwords. Which really is a reflection of your weak mind and your lack of education.

            “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”- Socrates

          • Libertarian Soldier

            So, what’s new, loser?

            Run along, now josephine!

            I’m tired of your fagotry and your stupidity. I don’t know what you’re talking about with your ebola rant. That’s OK. You don’t either.

          • JoseCuervo

            LMAO.. thanks for proving my point nincompoop.. it’s like talking to a mentally handicapped child with tourrete.

          • JoseCuervo

            Spoken like the true bigot you are . Bravo!

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You’re the one that’s always hitting on me! That’s not bigotry, that’s just letting you know I don’t engage in fagotry.

          • JoseCuervo

            Yup, good old bigot. You don;t engage in anything apparently. Just dumb ass intrnet arguments with everyone here. LMAO… And everyone shits on you, it is hilarious. Must be sad to not have a life outside this thread.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Why because I’m not into your Hose, sucking? You have a right to be the biggest BloWeenie you want to be. Nothing to do with me. Why don’t you call me homophobic or something, like the rest of your ignorant ilk that think you can become instant mental health care professionals and diagnose homophobia.

            You’re not even literate. How are you going to pull that off?

            You call me bigot because of your affliction! That’s the sex pervert calling me names! That’s exactly as stupid as you in-correcting me about my punctuation!

            Rage on, josephina

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Run along, now, Sybil!

          • JoseCuervo

            nope. sorry little man, still here

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Hey, while you’re down there…

          • JoseCuervo

            Ironic, questioning my intelligence but can’t even use a semi colon correctly.

            Look at your cute princess line, how many times have you used that same lame little line now? Originality is another one of your weaknesses. So cute.. run along princes he says… ohhh you got me now. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            You’re an idiot” the till case is brought up because it is a known fact that the accused men murded him, yet they were found not guilty. It is a response to your idiotic belief that a not guilty verdict means that the accused was 100% in the right. If that were true, then the opposite would be true and there would be no innocent men in prison right now.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Yeah! I’m the idiot! You’re hilarious!

            What in the world is making you drop back to not 100% in the right? Feeling stupid? What idiotic belief?

            Guess I have to explain this to you, too! Remember, small words; small words! OK! Let’s try to make this something you might understand. Martin doesn’t get to beat on anybody he wants. Martin doesn’t get to call a guy a creepy cracker and go jump on his chest, whether he thinks he was being followed or the guy was headed back to meet the police. That doesn’t matter in the law.

            What matters isn’t 1%, 50%, 99% or 1000%. If you get that, you’ll understand that if a reasonable person has somebody straddling (mounted on) his chest, banging his head on the ground, deadly force (amount of force that is likely to cause either serious bodily injury or death) is reasonable (sensible, rational, logical, fair, fair-minded, just).

            Here’re some sentence that perhaps you might understand: Deadly force may be used if a person believes that there is a threat of death or great bodily harm and that it is either imminent or being accomplished (experienced).

            The issue isn’t whether there was innocence. That’s not the same as not guilty but guilt isn’t determined by whatever irrelevant (immaterial, unconnected, unrelated, peripheral, extraneous, inapposite, inapplicable) issues to which you recalcitrant (uncooperative, intractable, obstreperous, truculent, insubordinate,defiant, rebellious, willful, wayward, headstrong, self-willed, contrary,perverse, difficult) people hold on. The fact is that this man was 100% within his rights appropriately (correctly, lawfully, legally, logically) calling the police about a suspicious character (a person unknown, seemingly out of place, unfamiliar), later defending his life.

            While innocence may or may not be the case, guilt (state of having committed an offense, crime, violation, or wrong, especially against moral or penal law; culpability), legally, for George Zimmerman, is not present, no matter how much the race baiting federal government pushed the state to overreach and manufacture (construct, build, assemble, create, fabricate) a case.

            Just a heads up! A not guilty verdict doesn’t mean innocence, anyway. It never did.

            You’re welcome.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            “What in the world is making you drop back to not 100% in the right? ”

            Where did I claim that Zimmerman was 100% in the wrong?

            “you’ll understand that if a reasonable person has somebody straddling (mounted on) his chest, banging his head on the ground, deadly force (amount of force that is likely to cause either serious bodily injury or death) is reasonable (sensible, rational, logical, fair, fair-minded, just).”

            You don’t know that ANY of that happened. You just have Zimmerman’s word and he is a pathological liar.

            “Deadly force may be used if a person believes that there is a threat of death or great bodily harm and that it is either imminent or being accomplished (experienced).”

            Right, so Trayvon had a right to use force upon Zimmerman based on Zimmerman’s own presented threat.

            “The fact is that this man was 100% within his rights appropriately”

            Well that’s not exactly true. The fact is that you don’t know what happened to start the altercation. Zimmerman certainly wouldn’t be 100% within his rights to try to detain martin or pull a gun on martin. Martin, was well within his rights to ask zimmerman why he was being followed and defend himself if he believed Zimmerman to be a threat. To say that Zimmerman is 100% in his rights when there are so many unknowns in this case is incredibly myopic of you.

            “calling the police about a suspicious character”

            Nobody is complaining about him calling the police. People are complaining because he left his vehicle to CHASE said person when they objectively weren’t doing anything unlawful to warrant Zimmerman doing that.

            “A not guilty verdict doesn’t mean innocence, anyway.”

            You are acting like it does. That’s the end of it.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You should see somebody about your learning disability.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            You’re the one that can’t articulate a salient counterpoint, corky.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You’ve never presented a point of any kind. You’re in denial and you’re obsessed. Get help!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            I’ve presented several points but you’re apparently too stupid to actually read and address them. so from now on I’ll just clown your retarded ass.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You’ve presented nothing! You just fall back on stupidity and make believe, the same make believe $#!+ you make up as you go along and you call me retarded! You are what you look like speaking of clown. You look like fester’s little sister! Fat little bald dumb 4$$ with a racist outlook that won’t let you see past your stupidity.

            You don’t actually believe you’ve made point besides the 3″ thing you’re using to impersonate a man. Get over it! You started wrong! You’re still wrong and you haven’t made a relevant point that wasn’t coming out of your 4$$.

            Perhaps you can find one in what I’ve written to take the place of the one you flushed! Run along, now, princess! You’re not just ignorant and racist, you’re incapable of learning; you’re willfully ignorant. That’s what we call stupid.

            You have outdone the trifecta. You’re not just a fat, bald headed, androgynous clown, you’re a willfully ignorant, racist, fat, bald headed, androgynous clown!

            That’s no way to go through life, princess! Get a clue! Get help! Fog pete’s sake get the f’ over it and get over yourself!

            Again, live is good, get help and get one!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            You keep calling me racist, but have yet to show me to be racist. That tells me that you know that you’ve lost the debate and now you’re mad. That’s why you’re full of nothing but attempts to personally attack me retard.

            You’re wrong and I’m right and your reaction shows that you know that I’m right but you’re too childish to accept that you don’t have the cerebral fortitude to win this debate, dummy.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Tired of repeating myself, dumb 4$$! Tired of seeing you repeat your dumb racist 4$$! Blah, blah, blah, racist, blah, blah blah!

            You went off the rails when confronted by the facts! Now, that I shoot back at your insolence, you want to be “cerebral”? Run along, now princess, you’ve lost so many times and changed the subject so many times to cover for it, you’re just a boring incompetent that has to wiggle around whenever facts confront you.

            Get over it! You lost. Your racist side lost. It’s all over, been over and all passed you by while you were incompetently trying to re-litigate a settled matter. Get help! Get over it! Get a life! All racist bitching in the world won’t change the fact that justice has been done! Live with it!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            You haven’t confronted me with any facts. All you’ve done is use defective logic and poor arguments that I dismantled until you turned into a tightly wound ball of angry.

            You’re telling me to get a life when you’re the retard that came taping on my shoulder after weeks when I wasn’t even thinking about your retarded ass.

            I’m not going anywhere, corky. If anyone is leaving, it’s you. You don’t have the intelligence to win an argument and your responses show that you’re out of gas in this debate.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You’re delusional!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            You’re the one that keeps calling me racist, but have failed to prove it. You’ve failed to prove everything you’ve said. Go away, seriously.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Deal with it, racist, loser!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Shut up, retard.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Oh that’s original! What happened to all that intellect you impersonating?

            Loser!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Shut up, retard.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            I’m not going to waste my intellect any further by giving the stupid things that you say, any level of validity, beyond telling you to shut up and go away, retard.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            if you happen to find some intellect, unlikely as that may be, you’re absolutely right. Hold onto it. There hasn’t been much of it, so far so you might want to use it wisely. Get some advice. Here’s some: stop embarrassing yourself on blogs.

            You’re welcome.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Man, you’re butthurt over me beating you.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You haven’t beat a thing but yourself. As for butt-hurt, that’s you; that’s that guy, *Mike that keeps dropping* out of your butt.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            You’re a retard. That is all.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Wow! An original, not and intelligent, not, non-response! You keep threatening to win a debate, actually you claim you won one htat never happened and you think you’re right about something and you call me names! Brilliant!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            I already won the debate. Right now your retarded ass won’t let it go.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You haven’t debated and haven’t won a thing!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Also, you keep calling me racist. So I challenge you to prove it, retard.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Agaaaain! Read your own posts. Are you such a racist that you can’t tell when you’ve made a racist comment?

            The answer is yes! You’re a f’ing racist and you don’t know how big a racist you are.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Kindly quote me. I don’t see anything racist in my posts. Why don’t YOU quote me saying something racist, retard?

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Now you want kindly? F’ you, racist retard!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Shut up, retard.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Quote me saying something racist, retard.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            No, racist retard is you. By the way, I find it really original that now you’re calling me retard when I called you that all through the thread and now you have a new word of the week! Good for you! You can learn something.

            We call that projection and transference. That goes right along with your delusions and your denial!

            So, get help and get over it! Move on! Justice has been done! All is good in the world regarding t martin

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            If I’m so racist, then you’d be able to quote me saying something racist, which you can’t.

            You’re the one that’s projecting. You’re calling me racist even though I’ve never said anything racist here. That’s textbook projection.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You know, using “no you” as a come back was old in 3rd grade. So was calling somebody “retard” when you not only look like that but when you’ve been called that so many times by the person you’re using back on. Really original! Wow! your intellect is dizzying! Either that or you don’t actually know what it means.

            F’ing loser!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            3rd graders spew out random insults like you’ve been doing ever since I owned your ass, retard.

            If you’re such an adult, then why are you trying so hard to personally attack me by fishing for insults?

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You’re the 3rd grader. I’m following suit. Your keen intellect, you know! Telling me to shut up. You’re a loser. You start $#!+, talk $#!+ then you f’ing cry about mistreatment! F’ing loser!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            I’m telling you to shut up because you don’t have anything intelligent to say. At this point you are being a waste of time.

            The way I see it. I have a right to rub your face in the mud as long as I’m raising actual points to go along with it. You’re not raising any points and just resorted to flat out childish insults because you lost. So yeah, shut up and go away. I’m king of the mountain here and there’s nothing you’re gonna do about it.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Your right to say the most offensive, ignorant, vacuous statements are something I believe in. You don’t have to make it the bulk of your activity, though.

            Just today, try something new. Be honest with yourself. Your personal attacks are more a statement about you than me. That doesn’t mean I’m not going to defend but it’s ridiculous that you pretend that I’m advancing it and it’s the epitome of dishonesty that you complain about me doing it, as if you’re not precipitating it.

            This brings a whole new understanding of you and how you operate. It’s easy to see how you’re conceptually unable to see how t martin precipitated his own demise and how you assign responsibility to those less responsible for their own situation. This is a unique window into how your mind fails to work. You attack and when you get push back you snivel, whine, complain and assign blame everywhere but yourself.

            Wow! yesterday, I didn’t think I could get that slanted that I could understand you but right now, I think I get you. You’re a bad influence.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            I honestly view Zimmerman as a sociopathic pathological liar because that’s what he is, dummy. Get a life. I was at work all day while you were here acting like a fool. Consider that for a moment.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            There is more evidence that you’re dishonest in your views, so how you view g. zimmerman is irrelevant to me and a lot could be said of you. Just remember when I lay into you to stop your pathetic whining and crying about mistreatment as you attack. You sissified fagotry is embarrassing to me and I feel absolutely no compassion for you when you throw around your insolent, attacks then cry when I defend. Consider what for a moment?

            My life is full. Your life is fool!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Stfu seriously. Throwing your stupid arguments at me aren’t going to magically take away the fact that I am right and you’re wrong.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            See! That’s what I’m talking about. After everything I’ve said, you still don’t know you’re wrong!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            You are too stupid for words. Seriously. Fuck off

          • Libertarian Soldier

            See how smart you are? You sure showed me!

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You f’ing dumb 4$$! YOu don’t even own yourself, you whining bitch! You’re a loser! You act like a loser! You call out the dogs and when somebody responds to your bull$#!+, you talk nothing but loser $#!+.

            You have nothing but a losing facsimile of an argument. You have no argument. You attempt to argue against fact, law and evidence.

            YOu’re so lost you don’t even know how.

            The fact is even if a half mexican named george zimmerman was white, even if he were a KKK arm of the democrat party and he hated black people, which it’s been proven he is not, he, not the other way around was the victim of a race oriented, hate based, hate crime and the law is with him.

            At the point that g. zimmerman was screaming for his life, screaming for help under the attack of whomever, of whatever race, he is allowed deadly force if he reasonably, according to the reasonable man’s standard, if he has reason to believe that he is in danger for his life or that he is in danger of great bodily harm.

            Anything before that point, if the assailant were to survive could only be considered in an action against the perpetrator for mitigation. That’s the law.

            It’s fairly obvious that you have some other standard of some illusion of fairness that seems to govern you, that your own personal belief, based on your own biases and racial prejudices that it is “fair” to inject your own racism into the law but that is not the law.

            Factually, I don’t believe in the hate crime statutes in our country. Crime is crime. Even if g. zimmerman actually chased after t martin, calling him every type of n word, at the point when t martin attacks g. zimmerman and fails to stop when zimmerman does not fight back and screams for help and for the person beating him, slamming his head into the ground, martin only has mitigation.

            There is virtually no evidence outside the fact that g zimmerman was patrolling, as a member of his neighborhood watch, on private property where he pays to live, that garners any suggestion that zimmerman engaged a non-resident, non-registered person on private property that only one of these two were legally registered as a resident.

            All the injections of race; all the unsupported speculations and inferences that g. zimmerman attacked t martin fall by the wayside. It doesn’t matter what we think of either because none of these unproven beliefs amount to anything other than personal will to believe what prejudices motivate them, absent overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

            When I say, ‘even if’, I’m not conceding that g. zimmerman was a democrat, a member of the enforcement arm of the democrats, albeit a KKK member or that he might even be white, all of which I believe have been proven incorrect, even if zimmerman made unkind remarks about the crime wave from those not registered members of that gated community, it is strictly prohibited to beat and to endanger the life or long term health of a citizen of the country, so if any person, even a legally registered member of that gated community were to place himself over another person, to beat, smother, curse and smash the head of that person, violently into the ground, that person is committing a crime against a human being, no matter how you vilify that person, no matter how you defame and denigrate the reputation of that person.

            You most certainly can’t, with any serious legal authority, under the law claim that murder was committed. That is an irrational belief, under the law in any state.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            You’re the one doing all the whining. All I’ve done is call you on your BS whil not giving a fuck about you.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            No! I’m committed! You want talk $#!+ in leiu of an intelligent conversation, I’m simply documenting that you’re the perpetrator and that my simple defense is not the offender while you complain and point fingers, calling foul.

            Your protestations are falling on deaf ears! I’m in it and I’m not going anywhere. You haven’t engaged in anything but a campaign of smut talk and a crusade of ignorance, subterfuge and obfuscation.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            You haven’t had an intelligent thing to say this entire time. Just shut up and go away.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Again, how would you Know? Not going anywhere!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Of course not, you’re totally gay for me. I’m not interested tho.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            In your fantasies!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Well, you’re acting gay for me. That’s why you’re staying glued to my dick.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You’d better not get caught with that dick! They’re going to make you give it back. Or, is it Mike’s? You might be a candidate for surgery the way that thing keeps dropping out of your 4$$. If you even think anybody wants to play with your stolen “dick”, you haven’t seen yourself. If you were actually a man, you’re a fag for even thinking that.

            Oh and don’t get caught for impersonating a man!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            You keep trying so hard and failing. Your butthurt is pretty clear for all to see

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Yeah, that’s it!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Go away you butthurt retard.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            You say that I point fingers but that is all you’ve done this entire time. I already beat you on the facts MONTHS ago, but you’re too butthurt to just let it go and move on, you waste of life.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            I wonder whether you see the pattern, here. You don’t talk about the facts. you don’t even remember the article because you’re so busy trying to insult, control and claim victory. A victory for you would be psychiatry. You lost your place. You’re imagining debates that never happened and all you have to offer is, nothing of any value!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            You’re projecting

          • Libertarian Soldier

            I’m glad you learned that term! See, I’m rubbing off on you. You make a good parrot.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Look, I was the one that pointed out that you were projecting months ago. You took the term from me and tried to parrot it back at me.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            No! In your dreams! Actually your fantasies.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Hey, look back in the comments. I told you that you were projecting months ago.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Look back further!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            You need to look back further, you waste of life.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Wrong!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Go away you butthurt retard

          • Libertarian Soldier

            No!

            Oh, we’re back to arguing off the point, we’re going to argue about who said what first! Really constructive! You’re going to name call when you factually have obvious, verifiable mental disorders. You continually carry a racist theme; comparing nothing but deaths between blacks and whites that have nothing else to do except race but deny being a racist; you refuse to prove that the law, the dispassionate law has prevailed, even with an unfair unequal race based prosecution and want your racist beliefs to be proof that race was a factor in the self defense verdict when it was faqctually the basis for an attack on a resident in his own domain.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Stop double responding to my comments, retard.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            No!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Go away you butthurt retard.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            You’re stupid. This article is about witness 9, who is zimermans cousin that says he molested her for several years.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Get mom to read that to you , did you?

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            No dumbass. I have every article on this shit memorized.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            That’s how sick you are! You’re obsessed. You can’t even trust yourself. You read what’s there, commiserate with the rest of the racists and race pimps and make $#!+ up together!

            Good for you, Nut-job!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            I’m not obsessed, retard. I just don’t forget anything.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            I don’t think that word means what you think it means.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Go away you butthurt retard

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You seem confused. You sure like those unoriginal, easy to spell, low level 4 letter words. Should I use smaller words, maybe give some definitions?

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Stfu retard.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You sure told me!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            You’re worthless.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            It’s already obvious that truth, law and fact have no worth for you. That’s what I represent, so I can see how you find no merit in those values.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Damn you’re butthurt. How many comments did you make to me while I am off enjoying my life?

          • Libertarian Soldier

            I only answer you, so figure the number you write minus 1

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Nah man, you don’t only answer me. You give four and five responses to every one of my comments and comment again and again on stuff I said months and YEARS ago.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Quit sniveling!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Go away you butthurt retard

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            “Martin doesn’t get to carry an attitude of and to call a guy a “creepy cracker”,”

            Zimmerman called Trayvon an “A$$hole” that “always gets away” right before leaving his truck and running after Martin and later called martin a “F*cking Punk” while running after him.

            “then go jump on the guy’s chest”

            You don’t know that Trayvon did that.

            “on his own grounds”

            They were NOT on Zimmerman’s property. Not anywhere near it.

            “whether or not he thinks he was being followed even if the guy was or wasn’t headed back to meet the police. That doesn’t matter in the law.”

            If Trayvon survived and said that he was defending himself from Zimmerman, then he would walk.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Irrelevant! Dishonest! Inaccurate! Misstatements of non-fact!

            First paragraph: Irrelevant

            Next two lines: Wrong! Yes! We do know that!

            Next line: Yes! One of these two was a paying member of that gated community. The other, a guest of a guest and not a paid resident attacked the resident he’d just moments before referred to as a “creepy cracker”. Legally, morally and in every way possible, that makes it a racist, hate crime!

            Next irrelevant, baseless, unsubstantiated, dishonest argument: There is absolutely no evidence, none, whatsoever to suggest that T. Martin was defending himself. His words and his actions made clear by multiple testimony by the victim of a hate crime, by eye and hearsay evidence that should not have been admissible, that factually make the case and corroborated physical evidence designate t. martin as the perpetrator and g. zimmerman the victim of a racist, hate crime.

            Your own subjective, baseless, unsubstantiated, impeached testimony don’t make your claim any kind of factual anywhere but in whatever you’re using to fail to process facts.

            Irrelevant! Dishonest! Inaccurate! Misstatements of non-fact!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            First off, if you’re going to say that something is irrelevant or wrong, then it is up to you to say why. Basically I’m absolutely right, but you don’t have the cerebral fortitude to disprove my statements, so you make blanket declarations instead of actual arguments.

            “One of these two was a paying member of that gated community.”

            The other was the SON of a paying member of that gated community. What’s your point? Trayvon had just as much right to be there as Zimmerman did. Also, don’t forget that Zimmerman DID call Martin an ‘a$$hole’ that ‘always gets away’ and a ‘Fing Punk’. On top of that, look at Zimmerman. He looks and acts like a ‘creepy cracker’

            ” Legally, morally and in every way possible, that makes it a racist, hate crime!”

            No it doesn’t. Trayvon was describing a creepy man that was following him around and staring at him. Hate crime has to do with motivation, not statements of description.

            “There is absolutely no evidence, none, whatsoever to suggest that T. Martin was defending himself.”

            Hey, Zimmerman was the one that left his truck and ran after trayvon when trayvon tried to move away from him, remember.

            “that factually make the case and corroborated physical evidence designate t. martin as the perpetrator”

            No it doesn’t. Theres actually no evidence that Trayvon actually started the altercation. It is literally just Zimmerman’s word against a dead teen that he killed.

            Anyway, since you’ve FAILED, yet again, to prove me wrong, just run along or something and get a life.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Basically and in every way, you’re wrong. The proof is in the acquittal. You’re another one of the few, the delusional, those in denial of the facts and the subsequent, unanimous verdict! Deal with it.

            Calling the son of a guest isn’t the same as the son of a paying resident. The rental agreement was with one person for one person. Neither was a martin. Come a different way than that because that’s just a lie.

            Your racist repeating and personal reassertion of the racist remark from your racist 4$$ has not a relevant thing to do with your belief that anything other than a threat might have a thing to do with determining whom it was that committed the hate crime. Your personal belief, based in nothing except your own racist proclivities and your own post-trial testimony is irrelevant. That means it doesn’t count, since you don’t seem to know what you’re saying.

            Irrelevant! You seem not to know either a thing about what occurred, absent conjecture, again, your own, again irrelevant, post trial testimony from you, the peanut gallery and inconsistent with the single account in evidence as to what occurred, according to only one account. What that means, son of fester, is that you don’t get to make $#!+ up and call it evidence. So, again, irrelevant!

            There is all the evidence necessary to prove that someone made a racist statement and a short time later was seen straddling G. Zimmerman, beating him and smashing his head on the ground as zimmerman screamed for his life before using his weapon in defense of his life or great bodily harm, which was being accomplished, again, right after the perpetrator was recorded by his own friend making a racist comment.

            The truth is there is more evidence that supports the claim of the victim than anybody else’s, including yours which, repeat after me, is irrelevant! Did you need for me to expain it, again, in smaller words or with definitions for the big words?

            Did you want to make something else up? This is way past boring and it doesn’t matter how many times you make something up or bring your own irrelevant testimony up, the fact is, you’re a racist and you just want to shame the victim and make him wrong even if he is only half white, you ignorant, uncle fester’s sister looking racist!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            First off, Zimmerman being acquitted doesn’t actually prove anything. It doesn’t prove that trayvon started the altercation. It doesn’t prove that Zimmerman was telling the truth. It doesn’t even prove that Zimmerman is not a murderer. It only demonstrates that the jury had doubt about his guilt within the confines of their understanding of the law, retard.

            Trayvon’s father was living there with his girlfriend. Trayvon had just as much right to be there as Zimmerman. Zimmerman didn’t own the neighborhood. The altercation did not take place on Zimmermans property.

            I haven’t made anything up here. All I’ve done is said that there is no evidence that trayvon started the altercation and it is very likely that Zimmerman started it and presented a reasonable scenario to support my statement, dummy. That’s it.

            How am I racist? Because I’m critical of claims and statements made by a known pathological liar with known and recorded impulse control issues? How does that make me racist when you’re the only idiot that’s talking about race here?

            You claim that there’s more evidence to support Zimmermans claim than anyone else? Zimmerman had the luxury of making his claims against the corpse of the dead teen that he left his truck to chase and ultimately kill, in a dark alleyway, with virtually no witnesses to 99% of the altercation. Ever wonder why he waived his immunity hearing?! I’m guessing that he would not have survived cross examination since he couldn’t even give the police a straight answer under questioning. Get bent.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            I’m so tired of “First off…”! You’re an obsessed racist. Read your own posts. You make racist statements and want to know why you’re a racist? Probably something in your upbringing! t martin got his justice. g zimmerman was acquitted! Deal with it! Get the f’ over it! Live with it or get help. You’re just wrong and wrong headed. Your prejudices won’t allow you to get past being wrong.

            Get help!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            What have I said in my conversation with you that has ever been racist, dummy? Seems to me that you’re the racist here because you’re the only person talking about race and are throwing around base accusations when I prove you wrong on something.

            Zimmerman was acquitted? So? OJ was acquitted 20 years ago. People still get to call him a murderer. Zimmerman is no different. Anyone has a right to call him a murderer or be critical of his behavior and his obvious lies. Deal with it, retard.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Irrelevant! Can’t you say anything based in relevant fact that has something to do with something?

            What in the world does OJ have to do with anything? OJ was acquitted, not because he didn’t do it. OJ did it but the jury didn’t like the LAPD framing him when they didn’t have to. You’d make a good LAPD cop from that case! You’re trying to frame a victim after the fact, after it’s already been over-litigated.

            Again, get the f’ over it! Move on! You can’t make it what you want it to be. Just deal with it but seriously, get help with your racist prejudices.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            It’s a relivant fact that you’re calling me a racist when I haven’t said anything racist here.

            You get the fuck over it. You know where the damn door is. Don’t be angry at me because I’m countering your BS. I was enjoying my damn day and minding my own business until you decided that you can’t accept that I beat you in the debate. Go away, retard.

            You can’t handle that people are calling you on your bulshit and poor arguments. Deal with it.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Wrong again! You’re as addicted to being wrong as you are obsessed with rewriting history and trying, incompetent as you are to re-litigate a settled matter that had no business going to court except racist politics advanced by racists like you! Justice has been done.

            On February 26, 2012, t martin met with instant karma, instant justice. I think it was a Sunday. So, it was at that time that everybody should have accepted justice! That’s what happens when racists attack people that have every right to be in their own gated community and obnoxious, racsit guests of guests decide to punish somebody they’ve just made a racial slur against, then hang up to confront, beat and slam the head of a screaming man into the ground!

            That’s what you get when you take your racist, violence to somebody’s gated community. The aftermath, the kangaroo court trial that never should have been was forced by political racists and they still ahven’t gotten over it.

            YOu’re the poster child for the political racists that don’t know how to deal with a world that isn’t as racist as you are and as racist as you want it to be, so, for your own good, get over it! Let it go! t martin met his justice for the hate crime he perpetrated. He precipitated his own demised and the court, the jury, the rest of the world that aren’t racist know it but you and those like you are stuck in the racist “way back machine” and can’t get out!

            You’re all f’ed up! Get help and get over it!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            On February 26 2012 trayvon Martin was murdered by a sociopath that later got away with his crime because idiots like you believed his obvious lies and rallied around him.

            *drops mike*

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Fact: t martin was killed in self defense while committing a hate crime!

            That’s been held by a jury, in a court of law. By definition, that is not a murder! That is justifiable homicide, in self defense!

            That’s how stupid you are! “*drops mike*”

            The record says that t martin caused his own demise and met his justice on a medium, sultry Winter night and what ever you want to believe, absent any actual facts, you’re f’ing wrong and the record says so!

            Pick that mic up and put it back in your fat, bald, incompetent, delusional 4$$!

            You’ve been served, again and again, retard! F’ing loser!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            How do you know that trayvon wasn’t defending himself from zimerman? How do you KNOW that Zimmerman wasn’t the aggressor? You don’t.

            The record does not say that Martin caused his own death. He was killed by someone holding a gun. His death was a homicide.

            Again, OJ was acquitted, so by that definition, he was not a murderer. But people still get to call him one!

            Zimmerman is a murderer.

            *drops mike*

          • Libertarian Soldier

            See how biased you are! You’re intimate with the perpetrator. You call him by his first name. You call the actual victim by his last name. You’re incapable of being objective because you’re prejudiced.

            The reason I know that t martin doubled back, confronted and attacked g zimmerman is that I’ve looked at the facts, the physical evidence, the testimony. It’s an easy story to follow. Zimmerman noted a non-resident on the grounds and investigated while calling the police. t martin doubled back and acted on the racist comments he’d just made to the state’s star witness.

            Everything in g zimmerman’s statement was corroborated by testimony and physical evidence. Testimony gleaned from the phone conversations and eye witnesses confirm the account given by g zimmerman, no matter how much you wish to vilify him. In case you haven’t been paying attention, it all makes sense and a not guilty verdict followed. End of story! Now get over it! You’re wrong. I’m embarrassed for you that you make an unsubstantiated comment, “Zimmerman is a murderer”. That has been adjudicated not to be a fact. so, your next comment: *drops mike* is not only a melodramatic overreach, it’s just plain a lie and it’s stupid.

            I think Mike is back in your ass!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Trayvon is the victim. Zimmerman is the perpetrator. You’re projecting. I’m perfectly objective in the fact that Zimmerman earned my distrust.

            You don’t know that Trayvon did any of that, retard. You’re speculating. Zimmerman was acquitted due to a lack of evidence, not an abundance of it, nobody saw how the altercation started at all.

            Also, Zimmerman is a murderer. You say there and called OJ a murderer even though he was acquitted and it was adjudicated that he wasn’t a murderer. Goose meet gander.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You couldn’t be objective if you tried. You even conflate an intimate relationship with martin and an emotional distance from the actual victim in order to demonize him. You’re emotionally involved in this case and you’re unable to see past your own personal investment in supporting the wrong party, the wrong possition that you are unable rationally think or discuss the issue. You’re upside down and backwards.

            That’s why you are unable to accept the proven, legal, moral resolution to this already adjudicated case and you say I don’t understand the law! Funny!

            As for OJ Simpson, he’s been adjudicated to not be guilty of murder because the jury nullified evidence because Simpson did not receive equal protection. Simpson would have been illegally convicted. The system failed everybody in that case. I don’t have to explain my beliefs when the evidence, the legally obtained evidence proved his guilt and another court found him responsible for the deaths of Goldman and his ex.

            You’re using a bunch of bull$#!+, conjecture and lies to make believe a decided case that factually also failed to offer equal protection to the defendant that should never have been a defendant but was due to the unequal application of protection or the removal thereof. You conflate on a regular basis, that which has no relationship, whatsoever, that is, except that in which you are able to apply your racial prejudices against those that are not black when you conflate the justifiable homicide, in self defense from the attack on a police officer by Michael Brown, an angry, violent young criminal or the justifiable homicide in self defense by a neighborhood watchman, on his own grounds, of an angry, young, violent, black man, enraged by some belief that the not black and not all white, watchman was somehow affronting him by investigating the moments of a non-resident he did not recognize, on the grounds where the angry, violent, racist wasn’t even a resident.

            As for the attack on g zimmerman, by the race engaged young black man, against someone he believed was a white man that he also believed didn’t have the right to investigate the movements of someone he did not recognize as a resident, martin had the responsibility to get himself to the “house” to which he was already “near”, not to go back the other way and attack zimmerman.

            This is how an angry, young, violent racist gets himself killed and this is how you twist something to make it what it’s not. You believe, against the facts, opposite the facts that that God given, natural rights to self defense and machination, when used to defend from the rage of a young, black man is never justified and you are wrong. You want to find something wrong with that, manufacture, if you must some justification for young black rage because you believe these angry, racist or not, young, violent, black men, are justified and that those that are not black, even if they are only part white must be at fault but you deny the mental illness that makes you racist. You are so involved in your racist beliefs that you’ll never even admit your illness and you’ll argue against evidence, fact, reason, the law that you can make wrong right because of your prejudices.

            You need help.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Man, you’re so incredibly butthurt in your whining.

            Zimmerman demonized himself with his own behavior. That’s the end of it.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            While that’s not what everybody sees, if it isn’t true, you’ve repeated it enough to convince yourself that you believe it.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Go away you butthurt retard

          • gbpuzzler

            “So, it was at that time that everybody should have accepted justice!”

            Meaning that you believe that when a black teenager with no criminal record and no known history of violent behavior is shot, people should just accept it without any investigation?

            “That’s what happens when racists attack people that have every right to be in their own gated community and obnoxious, racsit guests of guests decide to punish somebody they’ve just made a racial slur against, then hang up to confront, beat and slam the head of a screaming man into the ground!”

            More like that’s what happens when a thug with a desire to feel important decides to follow and accost a guest of a resident who had every right to be walking where he was, then lied and told the police that the guest had slammed his head into the ground to justify an unnecessary shooting.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Also, you don’t get to say that Zimmerman is absolutely innocent because he was acquitted but then call foul because oh was acquitted. If it is possible for on to be a murderer, then it is just as possible for Zimmerman to be one too.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Get help! Get over it! You don’t even know what the testimony was. Nobody chased anybody. You can’t stop making $#!+ up; can you?

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            You get over it. I wasn’t even thinking about you or Zimmerman until you came tapping on my shoulder, retard.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            How do you tell your shoulder from your 4$$? You look like a f’ing hunchback, fat, bald, f’ing bastard!

            You have not a right or a reason to challenge anybody in the world’s intellect. You’re a non-functional illiterate. You write like a child.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            First of, you don’t know what I look like. Secondly I’m demonstrably more intelligent than you are.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            In your delusional, racist dreams!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Oh? Well look, when I call someone racist, I can provide proof the instant they ask for proof. You can’t. You’re just calling me racist because I’ve beaten you in the debate and you literally have nothing else but attempts to oersonally attack my character.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You’e pretty well practiced at being wrong! You hven’t had a thing right from top to bottom. Read the thread. In fact, get mom or the teacher to read it to you and explain it to you. I’m tired of trying to educate you. You’re impervious to facts.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Shut up, retard. I’ve thoroughly been right this entire time and now you’re just being a waste of life.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Not even close, loser! You’re the waste of DNA. Your mother should have left you on the bed sheets!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            If I’m so wrong, then why are you trying hard to attack me personally?

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Like George Zimmerman, I’m defending myself. That’s a concept you don’t understand. you attack, I defend and you snivel and cry about it! Sore loser!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            You lost the debate that YOU started and are resorting to childish insults just as Zimmerman resorted to using a gun in the fight that HE most likely started.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You think you’re in a debate? That’s how smart you’re not.

            This started out as an attempt to educate you. You made insults a medium to compensate for your inability to learn. This is not a debate. As for childish, look within.

            You offer an awful lot of unsubstantiated, post trial testimony but don’t seem to know that the trial is over and you aren’t allowed to offer testimony based on what you want it to be. How it is that you don’t get that, I don’t understand. “Make $#!+ up as you go along” isn’t a very good plan if you want somebody to believe your already litigated and already lost position.

            Again, there is no debate. There’s only been me attempting to educate you and you irrationally holding on to a predetermined debate. I’m not even arguing with you. I’m stating the real facts, the real law and firing back when you come unarmed to a battle of wits with personal attacks. It’s absolutely ridiculous that you think it’s a debate when you defend position that is lost. If you’re looking for a loser, check the mirror.

            You keep talking about what might have happened when there’s absolutely no evidence to support that position yet you talk about some debate you think you’re carrying on, a fictitious debate in which you appoint yourself the fictitious winner! If you’re going to make up a competition, it does make sense to make yourself the winner but you might want to pinch yourself and wake up.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            I already won he debate. Right now, I’m mocking you because you’re a retard.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Like I already said, you’re too stupid to know there’s no debate. There’s me attempting, fruitlessly to educate you and there’s you calling me names because you’re such a racially prejudiced dolt, you can’t accept the information. There is, however a loser but that has not a thing to do with what you ignorantly believe is a debate. There is no doubt that you’re a loser, loser!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            I won, you lost. Your pathetic clawing in an attempt to get back was entertaining before but now I don’t have the time for your retardation tonight.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            That’s a great “argument” for when you’re losing a “debate” that exists in your own mind, because you don’t know when you left the subject so many times you don’t even remember what the original discussion was.

            That’s how you know you lost the “debate” you thought you were in. Get help. You’e delusional.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            You’re the one that sent me 20 comments today in an attempt to get me back while I am sitting here not giving a fuck about you.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You’re not smart enough to care. you’re not smart enough to actually debate. You’re barely smart enough to be insolent and foul mouthed, barely.

            I’m not certain whether that’s a compliment.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Says the guy that can’t articulate an actual argument or counterpoint. You’re an idiot that thinks using a three syllable word from a thesaurus is a suitable substitute for making a real argument or counterpoint.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Even if that weren’t something you just made up, how would you know?

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Not making anything up. Just calling you out on your behavior here.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            How would you know?

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            I’m looking at you behavior here and calling you out on what you’re doing. That’s how I know.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Nope! Try again!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Go away you butthurt retard.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            No! You’re butt-hurt! You’re also the retard, retard!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Go away you butthurt retard

          • Libertarian Soldier

            No! I think you should go away.

            Oh, retard! Yeah, retard, right? Retard!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Go away you butthurt retard

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Yes, retard, you should!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Yes, retard, you should!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Go away you butthurt retard.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Go away you butthurt retard

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Go away you butthurt retard

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Go away you butthurt retard.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Go away you butthurt retard

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            No! I think you should go away.

            Oh, retard! Yeah, retard, right? Retard!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Go away you butthurt retard.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            One of us has a flaming 4$$. I’ll give you a hint; it’s not me! You can go, now!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Meanwhile you’re trying so hard to get back at me while I’m not giving a fuck about you. Go away you butthurt retard.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            One of us has a flaming 4$$. I’ll give you a hint; it’s not me! You can go, now!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Go away you butthurt retard

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You should grow up, then take your own advice!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            You should grow up, then take your own advice!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Go away you butthurt retard.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            That’s what I thought!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            That’s what I thought!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Go away you butthurt retard

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Talking to yourself!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Talking to yourself!

          • gbpuzzler

            “Again, there is no debate. There’s only been me attempting to educate you and you irrationally holding on to a predetermined debate. I’m not even arguing with you. I’m stating the real facts, the real law ”

            More like you repeating a bunch of slanderous lies about Trayvon Martin and false claims about the law that you read on pro-zimmy websites. Others have as much right to give their reasonable interpretations of what happened as you do to spew your blatant lies, hate, and insults.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Just a minute! You’re wrong and you’re doing the attacking!

            You talk all that crap and you want to point the finger? F’ that! You call out the dogs and whimper? Shame on you! If you’re going to attack, expect a defense and don’t start weeping about mistreatment. If you’re an a$$#0L3 and you are, you should expect a vigorous defense. Don’t act surprised when you get back what you’re giving, f’ing pu$$y!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            I only react to what other people say and do. You’re just defensive because I’m taking your bullshit and throwing it in your face, bro. You are the one that started up on other people in this thread and when people aptly point out how wrong you are, you start shitposting and throwing a temper tantrum as illustrated by all of the comments you made to me today while I was out working and not even thinking about your worthless ass.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You haven’t been right about a thing of any relevance. I could see how you think you’re in a “debate” if debate includes a definition where I make a relevant point and you answer with unsubstantiated, not very well thought out accusations and smut-wielding.

            Sure! Redefine the language and call it a win! Good for you!

            Temper tantrum? You need to get mom to read and explain the thread to you. You’re not just ignorant of law and unable to reason through your racist world view, you have no relationship with reality in everything you see. You’re f’ed up! I wonder what you see when you look in the mirror! You actually think you’re in a debate. You’re not just obsessed with the now 3 year old, already settled issue of the settled matter of the justice served on t martin, you’ve linked it with Michael Brown and made that an equal protection issue. That’s how f’ed up you are. You’re out of reality. You need help. I feel like I’m feeding your sickness by continuing to engage you.

            Get help!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            More like you’re too stupid to comprehend how badly you lost. Look, I’m telling you to go away because you’re a waste of words, not because we disagree. You haven’t raised a single relivent point, corky.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Factually, I’m too busy fending off your stupidity. What’s been lost is you think you’re not a loser anymore. You forgot that you lost the argument when the facts and the law took the place of your insanity and your inability to accept the facts and the law, the administration of justice and how that all shakes out in the real world, the world where everything isn’t the bad white man and the boogie man cops.

            We live in a better world than you’ve created for yourself where democrats tell us we’re not good enough to compete with the white men and that we need to vote for democrats to have a chance, that we need the government’s help to live.

            Then, there are the little ignorant, delusional, white, fat bald headed fatties that think they’re helping when they cheapen the fact that there are problems but they aren’t white boogeymen but they’re the backward, dis-informed, mis-educated racist, Caucasians that don’t know they’re racists and think they’re trying to help through their own racism against both races.

            You want to help blacks? Read “Stop Helping Us” by Tim Riley and “Race Pimping”, by Kevin Jackson. If you’re interested in ending your racist world view, I suggest you read their books but more importantly, you need to see someone about your racism.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            More like you’re getting defensive over me being right and not letting you save face while I’m being right. I didn’t lose any argument with you. That’s why you spun into a tirade about me being a racist and crap when I didn’t say or do anything racist.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            No! You can take what I say at face value. Look for something nefarious, some hidden conspiracy the way you did with g zimmerman. Nothing to see here. i called you a racist because you’re a racist. No hidden meaning.

            Love how you copy what I say bout you and then call mine projecting. You’re coming to be like a parrot. Copy me again!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Well I’m not a racist, but you keep insisting that I am while your words are plain as day racist on their face. I don’t have to look past the surface of what you said to see that your words are racist.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            it’s a shame that you think you’re not, if you actually think you’re not.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            I don’t believe that people of different races universally share traits that make individuals from those groups intrinsically superior or inferior to people of other groups. That’s kinda a requirement belief in order for someone to be a racist, dumbass.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You say one thing but you do another. You’ve only brought out cases that conflate (mix, blend, confuse) not murders between between blacks and not blacks. You take on the racist belief that whites are superior and mistreat blacks, murder them, by your accounts, with unsubstantiated, irrelevant, factually insane (psychotic, hysterical, mad, crazy) reasons like “unequal protection” as some reason you must have overhead somewhere because there is not a single hint of substantiated ( supported, upheld, borne out, justifed, vindicated, validated, corroborated, verified, authenticated, confirmed,endorsed, with reason or evidence) to support your incredible (that means you are not credible) claims.

            Still, as much as you deny it, I call you a racist because you’re a racist.

            Who’s the dumb 4$$?

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Um, it is an indisputable fact that people of different races have different levels of protection of the law. Pointing out other people’s bias or racism doesn’t make me a racist.

            Also, I only brought up cases that are well known and indisputable. OJ was acquitted of murder, yet he is still called a murderer. Emit tills killers were acquitted of murder, but they later admitted that they murdered Till. Those are brought up to illustrate the fact that an acquittal doesn’t mean that the accused didn’t murder someone, nor does it mean the people have to stop calling the accused a murderer.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Hering lies your prejudice! Here is where you go off the rails and go backwards.

            It is your personal, racist belief that people of different races have different levels of protection under the law that preclude reason, fact and law with you. You should be paying attention because here is the irrational basis for your racism.

            You believe that there is a power greater than people and based on race instead of behavior. You believe that criminals are the victims. No wonder you side with the victims. it’s in your world view. Instead of blaming criminals, you’re blaming what crime brings. It’s that simple.

            Factually racist devices like quotas, like the belief that more crime in different segments of the population are someone’s fault, other than the criminal.

            You are part of the problem, part of the often perceived and pimped backward belief that the criminal is the victim, as if it was the law or law enforcement that was responsible for those segments of the population committing a disproportionate percentage of crime.
            Till has not a thing to do with Till, Brown, Simpson or Martin except as a way to justify a divisive narrative by a racist, illegitimate agenda of hate by race pimps. Nobody’s actually stupid enough to honestly make those sorts of jumps without some very dishonest, very hateful underlying beliefs.

            They are all independent with very little in common. They are off point and irrelevant one to any other but seem to be conflated, one with the others, to attempt to support an obfuscatory agenda of subterfuge.

            This is the illness you spread and you hide your own, personal, racist, world view and your own faulty logic in your hate colored glasses.

            You’re just wrong! You’re looking for others like yourself, other white racists hiding in the bushes, hunting young black men whom you like to tell aren’t as good as those racists that hunt them, that they need you understanding racists to protect them, that you’re on their side and you understand them; you get them!

            it’s not really one group committing a disproportionate amount of crime: it’s really that the police are looking right past the others committing crime just so they can arrest the others! it’s not the democrat party cult telling minorities they aren’t good enough to compete and keeping them on the welfare plantation, the no father at home, AFDC plantation, the no family values plantation, it’s the racist white and half white racists committing the real crime!

            Yeah! That’s the ticket!

            I guess if I vote for the democrat, I’ll get my check and I’ll have you to re-litigate my case if I attack someone, after I’m dead. Sure glad you’re here!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Go away you butthurt retard. You’re saying that it is racist to say that racism exists and has a different effect on people of different races in a society. Kill yourself.

          • gbpuzzler

            Although all races are supposed to have equal protection under the law, studies show that black people and white people are treated differently, at all stages. Black people are more likely than white people to be stopped and searched by the police if they haven’t done anything wrong. Black people are likely to get harsher sentences for comparable crimes.

            Emmet Till, Trayvon Martin, and Michael Brown have in common that they were black teenagers who who had done little or nothing wrong whose killings were winked at by the legal system.

          • gbpuzzler

            Dr. King stood for fighting for equal rights, not for “turning the other cheek” and pretending that unequal treatment didn’t exist. You have a lot of nerve preaching to someone else about not spreading hate when you use every opportunity you can get to spread hateful lies about a black teenager who was killed by a thug who wanted to show that he was a big shot.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You’re a racist warrior! You propagate a discredited, dishonest narrative of an innocent young black boy minding his own business and being waylaid by a racist, thug, half white man.

            Those are not the facts. The facts were first scrutinized by the police, then by the District Attorney. There was no evidence to support referral to a grand jury. The government, its divisive, racist party and it’s propaganda ministry, began inciting the low information, gullible dolts that an act of racism had been perpetrated, just like nearly every incident that has taken place since, in which a black person is killed.

            Among good examples are Michael Brown, Eric Garner, with a lie, that he was in an “illegal choke-hold”, which is a wrestling move called a “seat-belt take-down”, neither a choke-hold nor illegal, just not taught by the NYPD. Even now, the past few police shootings taht have occured have caused outrage and violence in the streets when in most cases, these situations are a lie, reporting white police killing unarmed black men when the black men are not always unarmed and the police officers may be Hispanic, Asian or Black.

            Digressing, when the government’s party’s muckraking propaganda ministry gets a hold of the death of a black man, they check and see whether it’s the police or a white man involved. When it’s a black man killed by a black man, the issue is ignored, completely.

            There is always the question when a black man, woman or child is killed by whom they perceive as white and/or the police, a political weapon to gin up the anti-American, anti-white/white male, anti-Christian, anti-Constitutional, racist, scofflaw base of their political party and its false narrative. This is the case with George Zimmerman but since George Zimmerman has an Anglo surname, the media and its minions, like you, doubled down when exposed for your own racism and pretended that they were interested in “justice” for an innocent young, black boy. That’s a lie! You refuse to accept that an unknown, suspicious character was on the grounds of a gated community and you double down again and refuse to belive that George Zimmerman did everything right

            The police dispatch call was purposefully edited to fit the false narrative and sent nationwide to those like you, the gullible dullards that want to believe in a racist system whom are the very dishonest purveyors of institutional racism.

            You want the fact that Zimmerman had a right to inquisition and vigilance, not vigilantism, on property he was legally and morally permitted not to be so and to sully the man and the act, something that even though you wish it not to be so, is. You take it steps further and use that as conjecture, with no evidence to support it, that this means that first, George Zimmerman, bound to take the advice from the dispatcher, something he is not bound to, legally or morally and second that this unsubstantiated non-fact is a foundation to support an additional unproven, unlikely supposition and assumption taht George Zimmerman attacked martin.

            When you take personal conjecture stacked on more personal conjecture and teh want for there to be facts that aren’t substantiated, except that you don’t want to believe that, it doesn’t make it so. You stack faulty logic on top of faulty logic in order to support your wholly unsubstantiated assertions.

            FActually, you can call anything hate if you don’t agree. My pointing out of facts that your documented thug, the adjudicated perpetrator of an attack, you so vehemently support with vitriol toward the actual, documented and adjudicated victim is misplaced and based solely on your search to find any morsel of doubt toward your preconceived notion, based on your own racism and prejudice, to prove, years later, your break with reality and fact is somehow justified.

            Let it go. Get help! You’re crazy and you won’t accept it. You’re feeding yourself a false narrative that is not consistent with reality and fact. Get over it and get help! The hate is your own.

          • gbpuzzler

            “King didn’t fight! That’s the whole point. King believed in pacifism, not racism! He believed in cohesion, not division, not like you and your kind. ”

            King fought through nonviolent means. He found ways to publicize the issue of racial inequality through the use of “in your face” tactics that made a point and forced people to stop acquiescing to racist laws and make concessions. He didn’t say to look the other way for the sake of getting along. If he had, none of us would ever have heard of him.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            NO! King did not employ the 4$$#0L3RY you do, certainly not “in your face” type of rude, disrespectful, accusatory arrogance, pretending to know something you don’t.

            Again, Dr. King was successful, not division, not by force, not by anger and implied violence of “in your face”, insolence but simple visibility, simple, non-threatening, non-intrusive demonstration, not the different flavors of inherent racism that breeds your kind of hate. Like I’ve said before, you’re likely the product of a weakling that got his lunch money stolen, wasn’t picked for sports, wasn’t popular and can’t dance that decided that he must align with blacks as a mindset to survive or you’re a social justice warrior, a white supremacist, like the democrat party that believes that blacks aren’t good enough and need your help. Either way, you act divisively. You ignore facts toward a bigoted, race based narrative. There’s no doubt that you’re obsessed with this issue in which you beat the dead horse of an over-adjudicated, settled issue.

            Everything you say is from the point of view of misplaced rage, bad judgement, division, insolence and bigotry. That’s a wholly misplaced sentiment for the real issue of a young man that sought and found trouble everywhere he went in his short life. You need to get over this and heal what’s wrong with you that you’re still obsessed with this years later.

          • gbpuzzler

            Boy, you are really desperate, if the only things that you can come up with by way of “refuting” what I say are a phony argument about the meaning of a word I use and topping it off with a preposterous, made up story about me, to go with your misleading narrative about King and everything else you talk about on this board. Your stories about yourself are unbelievable enough. I don’t need you to tell lies about me, too.

            My use of the word “fight” to mean to struggle for a particular goal by nonviolent means is a commonly used meaning of the word that is recognized in dictionaries. You’re not going to stop the world from using it that way.

            Dr. King did not expect that tactics such as marches, sit-ins, and bus boycotts, would be responded to with peace and unity. He did not expect that they would result in everyone in those towns or states suddenly breaking down and becoming sympathetic to the abolition of racist, discriminatory laws and practices. He knew that they would inspire resistance, including violent resistance, by both the police and others, and that this was part of what he would need to draw attention to the cause, which was the only way to get change.

          • gbpuzzler

            “You’re a racist warrior! You propagate a discredited, dishonest narrative of an innocent young black boy minding his own business and being waylaid by a racist, thug,…”

            On the contrary, you are the one who propagates a discredited, dishonest narrative of a violent black thug who goes out of his way to brutally attack a noble neighborhood watchman who is just doing his duty. You repeat it and look for and rumor, innuendo, or inference that might support your racist beliefs.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Liar! Show the discrediting! Discredit that this is, in his own words violent seeking fights and finding them. Show what’s dishonest about a thug that refers to himself as such. Show he’s not black. Show a discrediting of that black, violent thug going out of his way to attack. Show some proof that a neighborhood watchman wasn’t just doing his duty.

            You can’t call facts racist. There’s enough of that going on. You racists want to make fact racist because that’s the way you see the world, through racist colored glasses. Don’t just say it. Prove it! Not a single element of your false narrative is truth. Again, innuendo and inference based on what you want the facts to say from your racist opinion, not fact.

            On his phone, in his own words “So you just turning into a lil hoodlum,” to which he responds, “Naw, I’m a gangsta”. “I got weed nd I get money Friday”. Maritn’s Facebook and MySpace pages had poses with guns, bandit masks and fight club clips. He’s said he was going out looking for a fight. In his own words, he’s a step past a violent thug; he’s a “gansta”.

            One of us is using fact the other is a liar and a racist. I’ll give you a hint. You’re a liar and a racist.

          • gbpuzzler

            It’s easy to show that Trayvon Martin was not “a black, violent thug going out of his way to attack”. He had no record of violent behavior. He had no record of fights or other violent behavior in his school record, and he had never been arrested. Anything in his texts or Facebook is suspect because racist Zimmerman supporters bragged about hacking into his accounts after his death. Even if actually placed there by Martin, it could be joking or otherwise stated out of context. The fact is, you rely on quoting things like these and pumping them up to be meaningful and important because you have no evidence to show that Martin ever committed any violent acts.

            It’s also easy to show that a neighborhood watchman wasn’t just doing his duty. What he did was the exact opposite of what Neighborhood Watch members are told to do. They are told not to follow or attempt to confront people that they find suspicious. And they are told to especially not confront suspicious people while carrying a loaded gun.

            Not a single element of your false narrative is truth. You rely on innuendo and illogical inference based on what you want the facts to say from your racist opinion. And I don’t rely on a liar and a racist to tell me what I am. You seem to be looking in the mirror and convincing yourself that you’re seeing me.

          • gbpuzzler

            “Then there was the conjecture stacked on that conjecture, contrary to evidence, testimony and common sense, are not the facts, that Zimmerman attacked martin, whom martin reportedly referred to as a “creepy ass-cracker” or “creepy-ass cracker” Go ahead; mitigate that. Continue to allege that zimmerman was the racist, therefor the assailant and refusing to make the connection that it’s the other way around.”

            The fact is that Trayvon Martin had the right to use whatever words he wanted, while speaking privately to his friend on the phone. That does not predict that he will attack someone. That is a fact and does not need to be mitigated.

            The fact is also that zimmy had made police phone calls on many prior occasions about black men or boys in the neighborhood, most of whom were doing nothing wrong. And on at least one prior occasion, he had wanted to chase after one and his wife had told him not to. He had also harassed black people in the neighborhood on several prior occasions. These are also facts that I do not need to mitigate.

            “The facts were first scrutinized by the Police, then by the District Attorney. There was no evidence to support referral to a grand jury for indictment.”

            Chris Serino, the detective who originally interviewed zimmy and examined the evidence, had recommended charging him with manslaughter and the Sanford police department simply ignored the recommendation. There are also plenty of other cases in which people in Florida have been indicted without a grand jury in non-capital cases. It is not something unique to this case.

            “Among good examples or the government, its party and its propaganda ministry are Michael Brown, again, the actual perpetrator, Eric Garner, a 400 lb. with health issues who precipitated his own death, under the weight of himself and respiratory health-issues, combined with the weight of officers, whose arrest he was resisting and fighting, with a lie, that he was in an “illegal choke-hold”, which is a wrestling move called a “seat-belt take-down”, neither a choke-hold nor illegal, just not taught by the NYPD.”

            Bringing Michael Brown and Eric Garner (for the first time) into it doesn’t do anything to help your case. In fact, the choke hold used on Garner was clearly and definitively prohibited by the NYPD, and nonwithstanding Garner’s size and weight, there was no need to use it against someone who had been illegally but nonviolently selling cigarettes on the street.

            It is a clear fact that there are people in this country who die unnecessarily at the hands of police officers, In many such cases, lies and excuses for the police officer’s actions are given in the reports given by the officers, lies and excuses that do not bear up to close examination of the case. But even in such cases, it is common for the excuses to be accepted and the officer not to face prosecution in the case. And black victims are disproportionately likely to be the victims in such cases, although there are also cases involving white victims.

          • gbpuzzler

            A large part of your post is just pointless ranting, totally devoid of truth. A driver becomes a “suspect”, at least temporarily, because they fit some vague description of the actual perp. It doesn’t mean that they actually committed the crime, and it is my understanding that Castro didn’t. Because of that, it behooves the police to treat the life of the “suspect” with a certain degree of respect and not just fly off the handle and start firing.

            “You refuse to accept that an unknown, suspicious character was on the grounds of a gated community and you double down again and refuse to belive that George Zimmerman did everything right”

            You refuse to accept that Zimmerman did everything that he had been told not to do. He should have stayed in his truck. He should not have been running around with a loaded gun. If the “suspicious” person disappeared before the police arrived, that means that no crime was committed, so no harm, no foul, but Zimmerman just couldn’t accept that. He was intent on capturing someone who was “suspicious”, in his eyes, not because he was doing anything wrong at the time but just because he was a black male.

            The edited NBC tape played a minor part. It was played on the air only after the case had become public and was already widely known. The lawsuit was mostly an attempt by Zimmerman and his family to collect some money, but it was thrown out of court.

            The advice that Zimmerman received from the dispatcher matched what he had learned as the rules of Neighborhood Watch and he knew it. His account to the police was full of excuses for why he was there and why he was running around that street with a loaded gun. He became a vigilante when he tried to detain someone who was walking legally through the neighborhood, although he had no authority to detain anyone. I see him as the likely attacker because, among other reasons, he got out of his car to run after Trayvon Martin even though he knew that he shouldn’t, and did not return to his vehicle when advised to stop following. In other words, he had been consistently trying to force an encounter, while Martin had been trying to avoid him. You are the one who makes crazy claims based on racism and hate and you need to take your own advise.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            When I take what you say at face value, I see the words of a virulent racist that is too stupid to understand that he is saying some clearly racist things. Like Archie bunker. Only in real life and far stupider.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            That’s funny! You look a lot more like Archie Bunker than I do. You’re the right color! He’s nowhere near as overweight as you but you share that. You’re both bald! He’s nowhere near as goofy looking as you but the real difference is Carol O’Connor plays a racist and you are one and you don’t admit it.

            Here’s the difference, fat girl: I’m none of that!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            You don’t know what I look like. You keep calling me a racist, but you can’t actually name a single racist thing that I said or did, while I can name several racist things you actually said. There’s the difference.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            So, is that somebody else’s picture? Is that what you’re saying? You’d pick the picture of younger uncle fester as your avatar? As irrational as you are, that still seems unlikely and you like to talk up your “intellect”, absent any demonstration of such while making hostile remarks of people more intelligent and accomplished than yourself, leading me to believe you see something different in the mirror than others see.

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Go away you butthurt retard.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Yessum! I be goin’ mas’r!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Go away you butthurt retard

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Fuck off. I was sitting here enjoying my life until you came tapping on my shoulder because you’re a sore loser.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Tough $#!+ loser!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            Shut up, retard

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Loser! Sore loser!

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            You’re the sore loser, retard. That’s why I’m telling you to shut up. I’m tired of you filling my inbox with your retardation.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            loser! Sore loser! Retard! Yo’ve always been the racist loser and retard. You using it as a comeback is projection, in case you don’t know. Of course you don’t know! F’ing loser, 4$$ RETARD! Sore loser, 4$$ Retard! What are you going to use of mine, next? Anything original? Anything I haven’t used?

          • Griz2000 is forever my slave

            You’re the racist here. I’m not projecting here at all. You’re projecting as an attempt to put me on the defensive. All I’m doing is calling you stupid (because you’re demonstrably stupid) and pointing out that you’re the only person talking about race here, so that makes you the racist can y default.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            OK! So, I call you on your racism and as usual, you’re going to use, “no you are” as your simple come back.

            Is it because you’re a Caucasian slamming a half Hispanic? Is it because I’m not on the side of the actual perpetrator who coincidentally or not was an angry black thug whose last message to anybody was a racist remark?

            You’re certainly creepy but do you consider yourself a cracker? Isn’t that a racist slur? You personally injected the fact that t martin was black as a motivation for a belief that he died because he was black.

            If a white guy was slamming my head into the ground; if he’s smothering me while I scream for help to save my life, possible brain damage and I’ve already been pummeled about my head and shoulders and I kill a white guy, does that make me a racist? That was your contention. You injected race into the conversation, even if you weren’t the first to do so.

            You are one of the the race pimping racists that want this matter to be about race, no matter what the facts are. You want to believe that t martin was a victim and you want for the reason he’s dead to be part of a racist event, contrary to the circumstances.

            You are a racist. You want a different standard to be applied to those that are not of color. You do not want dispassionate application of the law. The law is dispassionate and ap